Wonder why guns and bullets keep going up in price...this explains it. N/C

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KSanburg

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Here is the biggest problem and the one that should be of the most concern. Taken from the NRA-ILA web site.

Obama Administration to Sign U.N. Arms Trade Treaty "In the Very Near Future"
As we reported last month, on April 2, the United Nations General Assembly voted 153-4 to pass the Arms Trade Treaty, with the United States voting in favor and several countries abstaining. The vote in the General Assembly pushed the treaty process forward after negotiations twice failed to deliver on the goal of developing the treaty by consensus. The Obama Administration is expected to sign the treaty soon after it is opened for signature on June 3.

According to a May 16 Amnesty International article, a senior US diplomat--Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Countryman--has confirmed the U.S. government will be quick to sign the new treaty. According to the article, Countryman said on Wednesday that the United States would sign the ATT "in the very near future."

If the deeply problematic treaty is signed, the fight will move to the U.S. Senate, where the Obama administration would need to find 67 senators to ratify the treaty.

Of course, anti-gun Amnesty International approves of the treaty and is advocating its signing and ratification.  In addition, Amnesty International has gone so far as to claim that the treaty will not affect "domestic gun control regulations."

On the contrary, the ATT does indeed threaten the rights and privacy of American gun owners. Signatories will be encouraged to keep information on the "end users" of arms imported into their territory and supply such information to the exporting country. Exporting nations, nearly all of which have civilian firearm control regimes far harsher than the U.S., will be encouraged to take the firearm control laws of an importing country into account before approving a transfer of arms. And the treaty also encourages states to adopt domestic legislation to facilitate the treaty's onerous requirements.

A majority of senators have already made clear their opposition to ratifying the ATT. On March 23, 53 senators endorsed an amendment to the Senate Budget Resolution for Fiscal Year 2014, "establish[ing] a deficit neutral fund" to oppose United States entrance into the treaty. Additionally, Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kans.), along with 32 cosponsors, has put forth a concurrent resolution expressing the Senate's opposition to the ATT, as it "fails to expressly recognize the fundamental, individual right to keep and to bear arms and the individual right of personal self-defense... and thus risks infringing on freedoms protected by the Second Amendment."

Unfortunately, once a treaty has been signed, it normally remains available for the Senate to ratify in perpetuity, unless a later president withdraws from it. This means that American gun owners must remain vigilant in ensuring this treaty is never ratified. The NRA will continue to keep gun owners up to date on any movement toward ratification, and will work with our allies in the Senate to ensure the treaty remains unratified.
 

comercialfarmer

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I'm surprised.  I figured Mark and Xbar would be on here gloating about the ethical advancement our leadership has proven to be involved in for the last 4 years.   

I can see now that I was wrong in ever assuming that the government does not have my best interest at heart and would ever abuse the power it yields if provided to the wrong individuals.

Okay on 3, everybody, let's give up our guns...

How many scandals does this make this week? let alone this year or this administration? 
 

comercialfarmer

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They probably only ask questions about gun ownership during physical examination for the benefit of your health as well.....  ;)
 

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if zimmerman is found innocent, and riots happen and people defend their property, of course the defenders of property will be put in jail rather than the rioters who of course will be portrayed as victims by the mainstream media.

jamie foxx will obviously lead the riots.

obama will do nothing or very little to quiet the rioters and will not place any blame on them and will offer the victims of the rioters no compensation for lost property.
 

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I never said anything about "ethical advancement" yatta yatta-and I never said give up all guns-just have some sense about who gets them;and dont allow the obvious. Coming from redneck land-I also have no qualms about the immediate use of force to stop the wrong person who is using a gun to threaten or harm innocent persons. At least around here (80 miles from my part of Va-8 miles from DC)-in the drug-ghetto war zone of Prince Georges County Maryland-where innocent kids get murdered for thier jacket or shoes-the cops barely get administrative leave when they smoke a perp who is armed and even blinks wrong- (clapping)-I guess Im a liberal communist-but I also see it as one way to reduce govt spending-bring back the death penalty-and quit crowding the jails-it costs too much,and just perpetuates the problem,and make 2 time loser babie-daddys watch the executions. I also think the more Rotwilers and Shepards out on patrol-the less *****ers would be dealing drugs on the streets.O0
 

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Sort of a mixed bag on effectiveness on gun control and murder. What's not in these stats is how many of theses murders are committed with guns. I wonder if the murders of war count as wel using guns and drones.

THE LATEST WORLD MURDER STATISTICS FROM THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
Murders per 100,000 citizens:
Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d’lvoire (Ivory Coast) 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname .6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2
And ……………….the United States 4.2 !!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL the countries (109) above America have 100% gun bans.
It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND, not shown on this list,
has NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!
However, SWITZERLAND’S law requires that EVERYONE….
1. Own a Gun
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications….regularly
3. “Carry”……. a Weapon.
You never heard about this?
That’s not surprising. It does not advance the Liberals’ Agenda.
Would be interesting to know if WHO counted Chicago
 

caledon101

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The great majority of this list is comprised of 3 world countries. I don't see Canada, UK, France, Germany and other 1st world countries with strict gun laws on the list. Where are they?
 

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caledon101 said:
The great majority of this list is comprised of 3 world countries. I don't see Canada, UK, France, Germany and other 1st world countries with strict gun laws on the list. Where are they?

you forgot australia. typically they are in the 1-2 range.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

here's another chart.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/

what you may want to NOT know is that number might go down as much as 10 fold if blacks didn't use guns for murdering each other.  subtract out latino's and the rates in the US are really low.  whites like guns for suicide.

in short, if you start looking at gun violence, you might be called a racist. 
 

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oops.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/27/Harvard-Study-Shows-No-Correlation-Between-Strict-Gun-Control-And-Less-Crime-Violence

In Russia, where the rate of gun ownership is 4,000 per 100,000 inhabitants, the murder rate was 20.52 per 100,000 in 2002. That same year in Finland, where the rater of gun ownership is exceedingly higher--39,000 per 100,000--the murder rate was almost nill, at 1.98 per 100,000.

Looking at Western Europe, the study shows that Norway "has far and away Western Europe's highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate."

The murder rate in Russia, where handguns are banned, is 30.6; the rate in the U.S. is 7.8.


In fact, the numbers presented in the Harvard study support the contention that among the nations studied, those with more gun control tend toward higher death rates. 


perhaps we just need to list nations not studied. 
 

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If you take out Illionois, California, and Washington DC from the USAs national stats the rate goes down even more.......  The three areas with the strictest local gun laws raise the murder rate........  How can that be?
 

knabe

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Limiman12 said:
If you take out Illionois, California, and Washington DC from the USAs national stats the rate goes down even more.......  The three areas with the strictest local gun laws raise the murder rate........  How can that be?

too bad they just can't be their own country and leave the rest of us alone.
 

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