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[knabe]

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

this document is complete democrat propaganda.  no if ands or buts.  it's almost as bad as the muslim document the elders of zion, or denying that the muslims and mexican government were with hitler in WWII.

difference of opinion will not be tolerated.

this document to me is simply evidence that the country needs to be divided.  there simply is no middle ground with them.  giving in to them is movement in their direction.  the opposite is treason in their book.  their hate of the constitution is summarized in this document.

absolutely NO mention is made of leftist groups that bomb peoples cars, firebomb houses, neighborhoods, research, not to mention eco terrorism, on and on.  to me, the democrat party and all of their support network have already seceded and won.  more and more, i doubt i will see anyone in office who can defend liberty.

on the other hand, this document sounds to stupid and partisan to be real.

 

[stithka]

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

this document is complete democrat propaganda.  no if ands or buts.  it's almost as bad as the muslim document the elders of zion, or denying that the muslims and mexican government were with hitler in WWII.

difference of opinion will not be tolerated.

this document to me is simply evidence that the country needs to be divided.  there simply is no middle ground with them.  giving in to them is movement in their direction.  the opposite is treason in their book.  their hate of the constitution is summarized in this document.

absolutely NO mention is made of leftist groups that bomb peoples cars, firebomb houses, neighborhoods, research, not to mention eco terrorism, on and on.  to me, the democrat party and all of their support network have already seceded and won.  more and more, i doubt i will see anyone in office who can defend liberty.

on the other hand, this document sounds to stupid and partisan to be real.

Your harsh tone tells me that you are partisan yourself.  Whether this is an actual government document or not there is some truth to some of it.  And yes, there are left leaning extremist groups.  However, they are not discussed in this particular document.  Do you assume they are not a concern because they are not in this particular document?  If you had to put every thing that concerned the government in every document there would be some pretty lengthy documents.  Less would get done by the government than gets done now!

I like how you think the "country needs to be divided".  More division would really be helpful!  I think we tried that once.  It was called the Civil War (I am a southern boy and still pissed we lost.  Not for slavery, but for states rights which was the real reason for the war).  A lot of people died, very sad story, probably a book in a thing called a library you could read about it.  Division worked well for other places also.  For example:  East/West Berlin, North/South Korea, Vietnam (another war with a lot of dead check out the library again).  Talk of Secession is crazy. 

Your rant leads me to believe that you werre a Bush supporter and whole heartedly believed that he "defended liberty".  I guess he did if you don't count personal wiretapping (later found to be done on people in no way connected to terrorism) and an increase in executive power with no checks and balances from the legislative or judicial branches of government like our forefathers intended.

Your defense of the DHS concern of white supremacists groups, neo-Nazis, and militia groups has me concerned about you.  Partisanship is always best and the ability to look at both sides of each issue is the best approach on each issue.  Before you post something with a hateful diatribe, ask yourself is you are being partisan or just contributing to the disconnect between the left and right.

(A little history on me:  I have voted in numerous elections and I have yet to vote strictly for one party.  I am a centrist that has values that would align me with both parties on varying issues.)

 

[knabe]

Your harsh tone tells me that you are partisan yourself. Bingo, guess what, everyone is.  your tone sounds harsh as well.

Whether this is an actual government document or not there is some truth to some of it.  And yes, there are left leaning extremist groups.  However, they are not discussed in this particular document.  Do you assume they are not a concern because they are not in this particular document? YES  If you had to put every thing that concerned the government in every document there would be some pretty lengthy documents.  Less would get done by the government than gets done now! that would be awesome!!!!!  jobs might be created by the private sector rather than the government.

I like how you think the "country needs to be divided".  More division would really be helpful!  I think we tried that once.  It was called the Civil War (you are actually incorrect here, we seceded from england). (I am a southern boy and still pissed we lost.  Not for slavery, but for states rights which was the real reason for the war).  AGREE.  A lot of people died, very sad story, probably a book in a thing called a library you could read about it. lame comment (harsh).  how could you know what i've read or not? maybe we could compare lists some time? i bet you would be suprised at my list. Division worked well for other places also.  For example:  East/West Berlin, North/South Korea, Vietnam (another war with a lot of dead check out the library again)  so should we have taken over n. vietnam, north korea east berlin?  probably.  why not eliminate the concept of countries altogether?  everyone should be united on everything.  Talk of Secession is crazy.  this country divided from England.  i guess that was crazy.

Your rant leads me to believe that you werre a Bush supporter and whole heartedly believed that he "defended liberty". i have never supported bush or voted for him.

I guess he did if you don't count personal wiretapping (later found to be done on people in no way connected to terrorism) and an increase in executive power with no checks and balances from the legislative or judicial branches of government like our forefathers intended.  clinton did it too.  the calls were screened, there is no way all data was stored

Your defense of the DHS concern of white supremacists groups, neo-Nazis, and militia groups has me concerned about you. why because i won't vote republican or democratic?    Partisanship is always best and the ability to look at both sides of each issue is the best approach on each issue (not true, sounds "good", but it isn't true, just ask a head hunter or a pirate). you just contradicted yourself and made my point, see above.  like you inferred, i equate the neonazi's with eco terrorists etc and they can be lumped together. 

Before you post something with a hateful diatribe, ask yourself is you are being partisan or just contributing to the disconnect between the left and right.  what part was hate?  your rant sounds like hate.  calling something hate doesn't make it so.  perhaps if you just yelled it louder, dissent would go away.

(A little history on me:  I have voted in numerous elections and I have yet to vote strictly for one party.  I am a centrist that has values that would align me with both parties on varying issues.)  I never vote for either party, they are both the same.  so is a centrist pro-abortion and anti-death penalty?

you sound superior to me, i must learn to have more levity.

 

[stithka]

Your harsh tone tells me that you are partisan yourself. Bingo, guess what, everyone is.  your tone sounds harsh as well.

Whether this is an actual government document or not there is some truth to some of it.  And yes, there are left leaning extremist groups.  However, they are not discussed in this particular document.  Do you assume they are not a concern because they are not in this particular document? YES  If you had to put every thing that concerned the government in every document there would be some pretty lengthy documents.  Less would get done by the government than gets done now! that would be awesome!!!!!  jobs might be created by the private sector rather than the government.

I like how you think the "country needs to be divided".  More division would really be helpful!  I think we tried that once.   It was called the Civil War (you are actually incorrect here, we seceded from england). (I am a southern boy and still pissed we lost.  Not for slavery, but for states rights which was the real reason for the war).  AGREE.  A lot of people died, very sad story, probably a book in a thing called a library you could read about it. lame comment (harsh).  how could you know what i've read or not? maybe we could compare lists some time? i bet you would be suprised at my list. Division worked well for other places also.  For example:  East/West Berlin, North/South Korea, Vietnam (another war with a lot of dead check out the library again)  so should we have taken over n. vietnam, north korea east berlin?  probably.  why not eliminate the concept of countries altogether?  everyone should be united on everything.  Talk of Secession is crazy.  this country divided from England.  i guess that was crazy.

Your rant leads me to believe that you werre a Bush supporter and whole heartedly believed that he "defended liberty". i have never supported bush or voted for him.

I guess he did if you don't count personal wiretapping (later found to be done on people in no way connected to terrorism) and an increase in executive power with no checks and balances from the legislative or judicial branches of government like our forefathers intended.  clinton did it too.  the calls were screened, there is no way all data was stored

Your defense of the DHS concern of white supremacists groups, neo-Nazis, and militia groups has me concerned about you. why because i won't vote republican or democratic?    Partisanship is always best and the ability to look at both sides of each issue is the best approach on each issue (not true, sounds "good", but it isn't true, just ask a head hunter or a pirate). you just contradicted yourself and made my point, see above.  like you inferred, i equate the neonazi's with eco terrorists etc and they can be lumped together. 

Before you post something with a hateful diatribe, ask yourself is you are being partisan or just contributing to the disconnect between the left and right.  what part was hate?  your rant sounds like hate.  calling something hate doesn't make it so.  perhaps if you just yelled it louder, dissent would go away.

(A little history on me:  I have voted in numerous elections and I have yet to vote strictly for one party.  I am a centrist that has values that would align me with both parties on varying issues.)  I never vote for either party, they are both the same.  so is a centrist pro-abortion and anti-death penalty?

you sound superior to me, i must learn to have more levity.

My daddy always told me never to argue with the irrational, you can be right and they will never know they were wrong!

 

[knabe]

My daddy always told me never to argue with the irrational, you can be right and they will never know they were wrong!

you already did it, too late.  premise invalidated.  typical.

 

[stithka]

My daddy always told me never to argue with the irrational, you can be right and they will never know they were wrong!

you already did it, too late.  premise invalidated.  typical.

SO YOU WERE RIGHT???

 

[knabe]

SO YOU WERE RIGHT???

no, and that's my point.  on the other hand, that is a trap for moral relativism as well, hence the abortion, death penalty analogy.  both sides of those issues have a problem.

the left is pro abortion anti death penalty.  so which is it, pro life on one hand, pro death on the other.
the right is pro life, but pro death penalty.  so which is it, pro life on one hand, pro death on the other.

that's why I keep saying society is built upon logic conflicts.  when you can't get away from logic conflicts you disagree with, that is the seed of partitioning.  i see nothing wrong with the dissolution of the US.  it's not like that's a new concept.  in fact, preserving it would be relatively conservative, don't you think?  on the other hand, preserving it and demographicking away conservative viewpoints through amensty, control of the schools, etc, is a form of civil war, and essentially genocide.  so in that context, i see nothing wrong with getting away from oppression.  since both sides feel the same way, i see nothing wrong with dividing the country.  both sides feel oppressed, so why keep adding to everyone's misery by keeping the country united?  there's too much regulation with each side trying to impose their will on the other side rather than worrying about creating jobs rather than giving away to reward of a job, devaluing that which makes society strong.

 

[stithka]

SO YOU WERE RIGHT???

no, and that's my point.  on the other hand, that is a trap for moral relativism as well, hence the abortion, death penalty analogy.  both sides of those issues have a problem.

the left is pro abortion anti death penalty.  so which is it, pro life on one hand, pro death on the other.
the right is pro life, but pro death penalty.  so which is it, pro life on one hand, pro death on the other.

that's why I keep saying society is built upon logic conflicts.  when you can't get away from logic conflicts you disagree with, that is the seed of partitioning.  i see nothing wrong with the dissolution of the US.  it's not like that's a new concept.  in fact, preserving it would be relatively conservative, don't you think?  on the other hand, preserving it and demographicking away conservative viewpoints through amensty, control of the schools, etc, is a form of civil war, and essentially genocide.  so in that context, i see nothing wrong with getting away from oppression.  since both sides feel the same way, i see nothing wrong with dividing the country.  both sides feel oppressed, so why keep adding to everyone's misery by keeping the country united?  there's too much regulation with each side trying to impose their will on the other side rather than worrying about creating jobs rather than giving away to reward of a job, devaluing that which makes society strong.

That rambling dialogue makes me wonder if you missed some medication today .  Regardless, I am very patriotic but I still disagree with some things our government does.  That being said, I cannot tolerate someone who lives in our society of liberty, freedom, and democracy that wishes to make disparaging comments about our country.  You enjoy the benefits of our country but wish it was dissolved? 

I noticed you used a lot of big words that really don't make a cohesive thought and some are used out of context.  That is a classic maneuver to intimidate people that aren't blessed with a large vocabulary into believing you are smart and what you are preaching must be right. 

Grandpappy always said "It's better to look stupid than open your mouth and prove it."

 

[knabe]

I cannot tolerate someone

It's better to look stupid than open your mouth and prove it.

i knew you were bigoted.

 

[farmboy]

i see someone getting owned in a conversation.....

 

[GONEWEST]

Although a direct descendant of General Nathan Bedford Forest, second only in talent as a Civil War general to Robert E. Lee and who could have won the war had he been allowed to after the battle of Chickamauga, I have never even had the thought go through my mind that I wish the south could have won the war. Until November of 2008, that is.

Knabe as I see it, the problem with dividing the country is that those of like mind live on opposite sides of the country. The left coast and New England comprise most of the folks who think one way while most of the middle think another way. Maybe we could divide it into 4 slices. The left coast, New England and then North and South. If it were divided like that, I would run for president of the south on a platform made up of one plank that would  guarantee my election. I would proposed expulsions from the former Confederate States of America of every carpet bagger from Chicaaaaaaago and Joosey who have ruined our once great country with their rudeness, attitudes and bad driving. No more would we wonder why if things are so good in freakin' Joosey, why are you here? No more would we have to hear in an accent that is barely understandable  "you talk funny." Which more times than not has ended up with that person talking really funny with a fat lip and missing teeth. Never again would we have to hear "this is how we used to do it in Chicaaaaaago." Eutopia would be what a place like that would be called.

In the mean time, Knabe, since I don't see it happening in the near future, I think we may have to settle for just moving to the great state of TEXAS where they all but succeeded last week. God Bless Texas http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/

 

[knabe]

one possible dividing line.

    According to the CBO, those who made less than $44,300 in 2001 — 60% of the country — paid a paltry 3.3% of all income taxes. By 2005, almost all of them were excused from paying any income tax. They paid less than 1% of the income tax burden. Their share shrank even when taking into account the payroll tax. In 2001, the bottom 60% paid 16.3% of all taxes; by 2005 their share was down to 14.3%. All the while, this large group of voters made 25.8% of the nation’s income.

    When you make almost 26% of the income and you pay only 0.6% of the income tax, that’s a good deal, courtesy of those who do pay income taxes. For the bottom 40%, the redistribution deal is even better. In 2001, these 43 million Americans, who earn less than $30,500, made 13.5% of the nation’s income but paid no income tax. Instead, they received checks from their taxpaying neighbors worth $16.3 billion. By 2005, those checks totaled $33.3 billion.

Gallup reports today that 48 percent of the public thinks their tax rate is “about right.” Given Fleischer’s numbers, I’ll bet.

bush tax cuts, so unfair. (disclaimer, i didn't vote for him).

 

[knabe]

The department said it "has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits" who could someday resort to attacks.

an attack would be not voting for a democrat.

 

[BIGTEX]

I cannot tolerate someone

It's better to look stupid than open your mouth and prove it.

i knew you were bigoted.

I thought democrats were for tolerance.????  Money for the needy not for the greedy!

 

[OH Breeder]

i see someone getting owned in a conversation.....

 

[knabe]

i see someone getting owned in a conversation.....

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[knabe]

contrast this protest with the tea party protests.

http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/

any guesses at what the list looks like for these people to love you?

1.  eliminate israel
2.  eliminate the US
3.  impose sharia law world wide
4.  ...... on and on.