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The Big Show / Re: need advice- county fair sale rules
« on: February 09, 2014, 08:25:19 AM »
Our county fair sale rules are pretty much the same way.  Our county also has a rule where only one animal can be put thru the sale for the premium but they can sell as many as they want at floor.  I know the top end rule on the beef was put into place in our county because all the steers go to the same place to be slaughtered and there is a carcass contest there. The facility cannot hang over a certain weight carcass.. I'm thinking its like 750..    The hogs have to meet a minimum weight to be floored and go thru the sale.   The real heavy pigs are floored lower than the correct weights..   So that leaves the same problem for our county.. if a kid has a pig under 220 or a steer over 1400, the animal cannot be run thru the premium auction.  What i think might work is to allow all livestock kids to continue to sell one animal thru the premium auction including those over and underweight IF the kid can find someone to floor the animal.   Example:  If a kid has a steer that is weighing 1451 and the grandparents & parents were planning on butchering it anyway, let them put the floor on it and buy it at a fair market price.  At our county, if an animal runs thru the sale, the 4H tags are cut out and the animal become ineligible to show at any future shows.   We also have started a silent auction for the non livestock kids or those with chickens & rabbits to sell one project.   This has gone over pretty good but there are very few 4Hers who put anything in this auction.  The only kids that are really left out of being able to sell something then are those who show breeding animals only.

The Big Show / Re: simmental %
« on: February 02, 2014, 05:19:55 PM »
If they are following AJSA rules, it's 1/2.   Other shows can vary ..

The Big Show / Colostrum Replacer & other calving supplies
« on: January 06, 2014, 08:57:38 AM »
What is the best colostrum replacer available?    Needing to order calving supplies and not seeing the kind we have used in the past.

Ideally I like to use colostrum collected from one of our own cows but calving season has not started and I have nothing in the freezer so I feel like I need a commercial replacer. 

Also what else are 'must haves'?    Does anyone use the oral vaccines on newborns ? If so what kind?

The Big Show / Re: Simmental bull on Commercial Angus Heifers
« on: December 17, 2013, 12:09:07 PM »
Another simmi bull to look at for calving ease would be RCR Stetson.  And I agree, if you can get shear force at a reasonable price he would work as well.   

The Big Show / Re: Simmental bull on Commercial Angus Heifers
« on: December 17, 2013, 10:03:51 AM »
We've used Goldmine a lot on hfrs and the only assists we've had are with malpresentations.   Calves come small and shape right but don't have as much grow as some of the other sires but if you are after a live calf then he works.  Have also used a lot of In Dew Time and he is our 'go to' bull for heifers.  Rarely do we assist but the calves go ahead and grow better.   We've also used Ranchhand and get along great.  Very few assists and growth wise the calves are somewhere between the Goldmines and In Dew Times.   We've also used Built Right a little bit and got along fine.    One thing about all 4 bulls is that you will like the daughters in production.  They may not be home runs on the show side but they will be great cows for you - udders, fertility, soundness are all there. 

The Big Show / Re: Showmanship-class deal breakers
« on: December 09, 2013, 09:39:12 AM »
I have no answers..  hoping I see some on here that will help me understand this better too.

I have decided that the more I watch showmanship classes - especially the senior division. the more confused I get.   I witnessed a shoving match at a junior national this summer that was like Black Friday shopping.   Exhibitors were knocked down, calves were bumped around.  I think the judge saw this activity at the gate, because the shovers were not rewarded for getting into the ring first at any cost.     

What leaves me scratching my head is the kid who can place in the top 10 on a national level and shows that way all the time gets rolled to the bottom at a county fair and beaten by kids who are doing everything we tell our kids NOT to do..  Hand on the end of the leather strap, saw hard, stick each foot into place, etc...

Another thing that I'm not sure I agree with is the questions..  You'll hear a judge talk his placement at the end and then tell us that he used one kid over another because of his knowledge..  I feel like if they are going to do the skillathon, quizbowl type of judging then they better mic the kids because we can all SEE how they are judging but we have no idea what their answers to the questions are...

The Big Show / Re: Upgrade Question
« on: December 05, 2013, 04:48:11 PM »
Coachmac, We haven't had a bad one yet, but takes them awhile to get there.    Sure is a big difference from the Broker calves which are good from day one and just keep getting better.

The Big Show / Re: Upgrade Question
« on: December 04, 2013, 01:27:38 PM »
We've not used him a lot but have used him on a variety of cows.   Ours have been pretty small and as calves are forgettable.    They finally start to come on later... after weaning.   One thing I have noticed is that you have to watch as they can get a bit round appearing in muscle pattern. 

The Big Show / Re: What should I have in my Cattle First Aid kit?
« on: November 07, 2013, 10:19:36 AM »
Tack box first aid kit...    Resflor, tube for bloat, vetricyn,  -  for the cattle...
Also always carry a small human first aid kit for the 2 legged critters...   

The Big Show / Re: Swine help, Beginner needs help
« on: October 10, 2013, 12:52:40 PM »
They need to weigh about 285 when finished.  Check your rule book for the minimum and maximum weights.  We've been to shows where the judge has used a 260# pig and other shows where they use a 320# pig.  They should not be overly fat, and should show plenty of muscle expression.  IMO the 320# pig was far too fat   If the show is in July, you should be looking at a January born pig.   You can get an early Feb pig there if he will grow.

Feed..   We feed Sunglo but there are plenty of other good feeds out there.   Basically we full feed our pigs until they get to about 100#, then we start hand feeding them according to what they need.   We start out around 20% protein, then to 18%, and 16% by the end, depending on what they are needing.

The Big Show / Looking for a steer...
« on: October 09, 2013, 10:01:27 AM »
Sure like the looks of the lot 1 steer in this sale..


The Big Show / Re: Bigger calves than normal?
« on: September 24, 2013, 11:12:12 AM »
I agree with all who responded.   Those aren't bad sizes and I'd be more concerned about the little one that the big one.  Our fall calves tend to be a little bigger than our spring calves.   Can't say how it is this year yet as we've only just started but that was an 88# ET hfr calf that is about 10 days early.    And yes, fall calving is less stressful, we have rarely had to pull anything in the fall..  and there is no urgency to get them in and dried off and warmed up ASAP either.

The Big Show / Re: Essential Express O muscle builder - anyone try it??
« on: September 18, 2013, 07:54:40 PM »
We've used on lambs, pigs, and goats.  It seems to help get some extra pounds on in a hurry if you are needing that.   

The Big Show / Re: Simmental Heifer
« on: September 04, 2013, 08:25:19 PM »
She looks like she could use worming for internal parasites too.

Swine Chat / Re: Pigs losing weight, not gaining...need advice!
« on: July 19, 2013, 02:55:56 PM »
Sumo is a fat product made by Sunglo feeds.   Pigs love it.   I'd get some ASAP and get the pigs eating it.  Also you may want to try to get some Paylean in the diet..  Sunglo's Explode is good.   That way they will gain more efficiently.

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