2014 prospect bulls

mark tenenbaum · Jul 22, 2013

To me the i-80 xYj ,and the Hard Whiskeyx Harrietta are different types from -pictures and basic background-you could pobably get a cow out of either one-They get feakier from there-with the Monopoly-Bloodstone looking pretty scary :maybe will wear the super freak crown-I dont know what you could breed him to: (83 pound BW and all) O0

ZNT · Jul 22, 2013

frostback said:
Still not much new in his Maine pedigree. I bet he is related to all the Maines I already have in my herd. Using a lot of Simmental now. At least they have way more diversity. Lots of ways to go with them.

There are very good outcross bulls that come out every year. Typically the Big 3 don't promote these bulls because they are not out of their genetics, and though people keep asking for outcross genetics, most are reluctant to try something different. Therefore, these good outcross bulls have less progeny, and do not get the publicity that the mainstream bulls do.

heatherleblanc · Jul 23, 2013

WB said:
Here is an I-80 X YJ that Lautners bought from Canada
And a Monopoly X Bloodstone that Lautners bought from Cody Webb
And I found another picture of that Salty Dog of Trausch's

Where in Canada did the I-80 Z YJ come from?

simba · Jul 24, 2013

Heather said:
WB said:

Here is an I-80 X YJ that Lautners bought from Canada
And a Monopoly X Bloodstone that Lautners bought from Cody Webb
And I found another picture of that Salty Dog of Trausch's

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Where in Canada did the I-80 Z YJ come from?

Ty-D Cattle Co in Southeast Saskatchewan. They're the owners of Pretty Snazzy. Here's a side view from their facebook page.

Tallcool1 · Jul 24, 2013

knabe said:
frostback said:

I was really hoping someone would find a cool looking bull with a total outcross pedigree. I guess no luck again this year.
Would be happy and proud to have raised any of those bulls though. Not knocking them at all.

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no one has the guts to do it. it must cost more money than crossing carriers.

What are you looking for in an "Outcross Pedigree".........Just no Heatwave?

Maternally Yours?
Big Guns?
Jesse James?
Magic In Me?
Smoke A Lil Smoke?
The Maine Man?
Torrington?

.......and that is just a 90 second scan of Lautner Farms bulls that I THINK have hit the market in the past couple of years. I believe that they reasonably fit the category of "Outcross", depending upon the Dam side of course.

Trausch has a couple pretty cool looking new bulls on the market in the last couple years. I don't know about Rodgers.

There are bulls out there that are NOT the same old genetics in a different package. It isn't that nobody has the "Guts" to do it.

ZNT hit the nail RIGHT ON THE HEAD......People keep asking for outcross genetics, but are reluctant to use them.

There are leaders and there are followers. We all think that we are leaders...real trend setters just blazing a trail through our industry, really making our mark on the world.

Watch this video...AGAIN if you have seen it. Do you think this guy was afraid/reluctant to use "outcross genetics"?

Promoters have the "guts" to risk their reputation and their money......somebody has to have the "guts" to use the bulls.

The MAN Behind the BULL....Part 1

Limiman12 · Jul 24, 2013

ZNT said:
frostback said:

Still not much new in his Maine pedigree. I bet he is related to all the Maines I already have in my herd. Using a lot of Simmental now. At least they have way more diversity. Lots of ways to go with them.

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There are very good outcross bulls that come out every year. Typically the Big 3 don't promote these bulls because they are not out of their genetics, and though people keep asking for outcross genetics, most are reluctant to try something different. Therefore, these good outcross bulls have less progeny, and do not get the publicity that the mainstream bulls do.

To build on that, reluctant to use unproven genetics for odds of having a good one, but also even if you have a good one, if the big three wont market the outcross bull, they sure aren't going to help you market a calf sired by the outcross bull, so you may have a great calf that you sell for 1/3 the money of the same calf sired by Monopoly....

Same thing happens in dogs, people complain because all the litters are sired by a handful of dogs, but then puppy buyers are lining up for pups out of those studs so why wouldn't a breeder use them. Meanwhile a breeder that researches and finds a bloodline to nick may have a great litter but unless you get pups in the right peoples hands no one knows how good they are.

frostback · Jul 24, 2013

Maternally Yours- Sire I-80 nothing new, goes back to most of the sires of my Maine females.
Big Guns - Lifeline just about the same, it is most of the Maines.
Jesse James - We did use him on some clubby heifers.
Magic in Me - Again I-80. We have Kadabra- Habanero in our cows.
Smoke a lil Smoke- Solid Gold= Heatwave.
The Maine Man - Hard Drive = Hard Core have him in cows also. Related to I-80.
Torrington - Not sure who Simple Man is. So not sure about him.
The Maines have really dug a hole for themselves with nothing new coming in. They used to be the soft, big boned, square hipped, hairy, (even without TH) part you needed to make a good steer. Now they are just pot bellied, peaked assed, no bone, no hair, too angus looking. They don't have much to offer the steer producers anymore.

angusfarming · Jul 25, 2013

frostback said:
Maternally Yours- Sire I-80 nothing new, goes back to most of the sires of my Maine females.
Big Guns - Lifeline just about the same, it is most of the Maines.
Jesse James - We did use him on some clubby heifers.
Magic in Me - Again I-80. We have Kadabra- Habanero in our cows.
Smoke a lil Smoke- Solid Gold= Heatwave.
The Maine Man - Hard Drive = Hard Core have him in cows also. Related to I-80.
Torrington - Not sure who Simple Man is. So not sure about him.
The Maines have really dug a hole for themselves with nothing new coming in. They used to be the soft, big boned, square hipped, hairy, (even without TH) part you needed to make a good steer. Now they are just pot bellied, peaked assed, no bone, no hair, too angus looking. They don't have much to offer the steer producers anymore.

Now you can knock Angus all you want that's your choice but at least we have given ourselves a Maternal cow that has proven itself time and time again. I get this is a show cattle site but last check you still can't eat bone or hair out of these show steers.

Mainevent · Jul 25, 2013

Angus, steer producers realize they can't eat hair and bone but they don't care. You can sell it and market is high. They only care for the purple and money.

frostback · Jul 25, 2013

angusfarming said:
frostback said:

Maternally Yours- Sire I-80 nothing new, goes back to most of the sires of my Maine females.
Big Guns - Lifeline just about the same, it is most of the Maines.
Jesse James - We did use him on some clubby heifers.
Magic in Me - Again I-80. We have Kadabra- Habanero in our cows.
Smoke a lil Smoke- Solid Gold= Heatwave.
The Maine Man - Hard Drive = Hard Core have him in cows also. Related to I-80.
Torrington - Not sure who Simple Man is. So not sure about him.
The Maines have really dug a hole for themselves with nothing new coming in. They used to be the soft, big boned, square hipped, hairy, (even without TH) part you needed to make a good steer. Now they are just pot bellied, peaked assed, no bone, no hair, too angus looking. They don't have much to offer the steer producers anymore.

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Now you can knock Angus all you want that's your choice but at least we have given ourselves a Maternal cow that has proven itself time and time again. I get this is a show cattle site but last check you still can't eat bone or hair out of these show steers.

Didn't mean to knock angus. Most of my herd are F1s with half being Angus. They other half is some Simmental, mostly Meyer 734 but have tried a few new ones. Then some are older Maine pedigrees. But they again have to be the right kind of Angus. And yes I sure do care about my herd making money. My cows have to pay for themselves and then help pay the bills. I don't work for my cows they work for me.

RyanChandler · Jul 25, 2013

ZNT said:
frostback said:

Still not much new in his Maine pedigree. I bet he is related to all the Maines I already have in my herd. Using a lot of Simmental now. At least they have way more diversity. Lots of ways to go with them.

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There are very good outcross bulls that come out every year. Typically the Big 3 don't promote these bulls because they are not out of their genetics, and though people keep asking for outcross genetics, most are reluctant to try something different. Therefore, these good outcross bulls have less progeny, and do not get the publicity that the mainstream bulls do.

bingo!

THe big wigs have a vested interest in the genetics they're already using. Publically endorsing genetics that are potentially superior to that which they're already promoting with would be suicide. Its all promotion and commotion. The same folks that can't recognize this are the same folks that continually mistake intervention for genetic superiority.

knabe · Jul 25, 2013

frostback said:
I was really hoping someone would find a cool looking bull with a total outcross pedigree. I guess no luck again this year.
Would be happy and proud to have raised any of those bulls though. Not knocking them at all.

What would be an outcross in your mind?
Like xbar said, no one is going to promote a bull they dont have sons/daughhters/semen on ready to sell.

Almost no one is capable of thinking outside the box with 2-3 generations to make something.

PWolfe · Jul 25, 2013

In terms of offering a diversion on the typical Maine-Anjou genetics, we have a nicely and powerfully designed bull calf that offers some uniqueness on the maternal side of things. Although it is early, we are liking the way this Rumor Mill x Iabon x Calberta Raider bull calf is progressing. We think he has a genetic twist that offers some outcrossing genetic opportunities at least from his dam's side. If interested in seeing this bull calf we have named Rumor Has It or his Fullblood Maine-Anjou dam, please text me at 937-546-4511.

Jason Shatto also has a really cool Rumor Mill x Eye Candy x Dream Girl bull calf that sure looks the part of a promotional bull.

Pat Wolfe

knabe · Jul 25, 2013

here's a shallow, short spined, low volume iabon influence cow with a shot of danigo.

Tallcool1 · Jul 25, 2013

ZNT said:
frostback said:

Still not much new in his Maine pedigree. I bet he is related to all the Maines I already have in my herd. Using a lot of Simmental now. At least they have way more diversity. Lots of ways to go with them.

Click to expand...

There are very good outcross bulls that come out every year. Typically the Big 3 don't promote these bulls because they are not out of their genetics, and though people keep asking for outcross genetics, most are reluctant to try something different. Therefore, these good outcross bulls have less progeny, and do not get the publicity that the mainstream bulls do.

Funny thing Zane......Early this year when you posted a picture of YOUR Bull, I absolutely loved him. I may have even sent you a PM telling you so. I have no idea how he is haired, but he darn sure is square from behind and must be sound or you wouldn't be leasing him into natural service.

I am no expert when it comes to the Maine pedigrees, but it sure seems to me that Jagger would be an "Outcross" wouldn't he???

And he is double clean as well???

No HW???

Maybe you are holding the Golden Ticket everyone is frantically searching for!!!

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

ROMAX · Jul 26, 2013

Sizzler14 said:
From Executive sires. Hard Whiskey x Hairetta

Is the Harrietta cow still alive? She has to be a teenager by now.Are they using frozen eggs?

vet tech · Jul 26, 2013

Yes Hairietta is still alive.

ZNT · Jul 26, 2013

Tallcool1 said:
ZNT said:

frostback said:

Still not much new in his Maine pedigree. I bet he is related to all the Maines I already have in my herd. Using a lot of Simmental now. At least they have way more diversity. Lots of ways to go with them.

Click to expand...

There are very good outcross bulls that come out every year. Typically the Big 3 don't promote these bulls because they are not out of their genetics, and though people keep asking for outcross genetics, most are reluctant to try something different. Therefore, these good outcross bulls have less progeny, and do not get the publicity that the mainstream bulls do.

Click to expand...

Funny thing Zane......Early this year when you posted a picture of YOUR Bull, I absolutely loved him. I may have even sent you a PM telling you so. I have no idea how he is haired, but he darn sure is square from behind and must be sound or you wouldn't be leasing him into natural service.

I am no expert when it comes to the Maine pedigrees, but it sure seems to me that Jagger would be an "Outcross" wouldn't he???

And he is double clean as well???

No HW???

Maybe you are holding the Golden Ticket everyone is frantically searching for!!!

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Yes Tallcool1, you did message me earlier this year about Jagger.

I would totally consider ZNT Moves Like Jagger an outcross to much of the popular Maine genetics of today. The only thing that I would consider popular genetics in him is the fact that his dam is a Hardcore daughter. The whole reason that we added GVC Suh to our breeding program is that fact that he does bring some different genetics to our herd, and the industry in general, and phenotypic wise, he was what we were looking for also (deep ribbed, soft made, heavy muscled.) First calves are due this fall, and several more due next spring from our first natural lease of him. We are excited to see the results, though the sampling will be pretty modest.

Thank you for the prop's and confidence in our bull!!!

doc-sun · Jul 26, 2013

frostback said:
Maternally Yours- Sire I-80 nothing new, goes back to most of the sires of my Maine females.
Big Guns - Lifeline just about the same, it is most of the Maines.
Jesse James - We did use him on some clubby heifers.
Magic in Me - Again I-80. We have Kadabra- Habanero in our cows.
Smoke a lil Smoke- Solid Gold= Heatwave.
The Maine Man - Hard Drive = Hard Core have him in cows also. Related to I-80.
Torrington - Not sure who Simple Man is. So not sure about him.
The Maines have really dug a hole for themselves with nothing new coming in. They used to be the soft, big boned, square hipped, hairy, (even without TH) part you needed to make a good steer. Now they are just pot bellied, peaked assed, no bone, no hair, too angus looking. They don't have much to offer the steer producers anymore.

insjockey · Jul 26, 2013

would like to see what some of those calves would like like after standing in the rain for about an hour.

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