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Offline Charguy

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Bull Calf
« on: September 15, 2011, 12:38:49 PM »
Could this calf work in a Club Calf program?

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 05:07:11 PM »
I think so...He's hairy, thick, big footed, pretty well put together, and pretty clean fronted...

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 05:52:16 PM »
Looks good whats he out of?

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 10:53:33 PM »
Suprisingly he is a purebred red factor Charolais. I could get you the pedigree but it probably wont mean much to you. He sure has cool hair and a moderate frame for a Charolais. He is as stout of a calf I have seen. He is not mine but a friends - when I first saw him I was wondering what he was doing there. But I would love some steers off of him.I think he will cross well with my char and simm-angus cows. And because he is PB charolais you dont have to worry about the defects.

I was wondering though if he has too much power for the clubby deal. His birthweight was 96 lbs and a 205d weight of 805 lbs. When I asked about semen - he laughed and said he is only a calf. He said if he continues on and I want to market semen he would let me in the deal. I think there is potential with this calf - but I just dont know how big the market would be for semen on a calf like this. Thats why I was asking what people think of him.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 06:36:57 AM »
Haha yeah get him clipped up and some promo pics taken, and I bet you could sell some semen!

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 08:33:44 AM »
He proably has the same problem a lot of CHAROLAIS cattle have ,to much frame an maybe to much growth .....ALSO FOR the North country it seems the judges
prefer  BLACK  cattle over any other cattle .AS long as they can use that long black hair they are tough to beat, the Charolais influence definitely adds more muscle ...WITH THESE half blood  females an bulls though you will see more black cattle with Charolais influence in them because a about half of them turn out black ...

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 10:15:11 AM »
He is definately a pretty nice bull and a pretty unique breeding piece from a pedigree standpoint. But I have to agree with Freddy, from what you said about him growth wise, I would sure worry about his calves getting to big before they finished.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 10:41:37 AM »
He proably has the same problem a lot of CHAROLAIS cattle have ,to much frame an maybe to much growth .....ALSO FOR the North country it seems the judges
prefer  BLACK  cattle over any other cattle .AS long as they can use that long black hair they are tough to beat, the Charolais influence definitely adds more muscle ...WITH THESE half blood  females an bulls though you will see more black cattle with Charolais influence in them because a about half of them turn out black ...
Sad to say but so true around midwest and northern part of the country, "If it ain't Black, it ain't coming back".  Seen alot of nice red, smoke and roan steers get beat because it's competition was black. So he might sell well is some parts of the country but not so well in other parts. I use black bulls hoping for all black calves cause they sell better and win more shows around here.
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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 01:57:09 PM »
Thanks for the honesty - I appreciate it. Good cattle are good cattle regardless of the color. But i have seen it in the ring and know how it goes.

This guy is not a large framed calf - compared to the other calves in the pen he was a good frame score smaller. I saw his mom and she was a small framed charolais cow - I have some red angus cows which are bigger. Lots of volume and capacity dont get me wrong just not a large framed cow. But he was pretty stout and still was average in their weaning group for weight.

Still think he is pretty cool for being a purebred Charolais. Me promoting him probably wouldnt do him any favors either - people are going to gravitate to what they know best. Hell i do it so why would I think it woudl be different this time.  (lol)

 


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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2011, 02:06:53 PM »
Charguy, find some cluby cows that throw color, breed him to them. Color might not win but a real good color calf always seems to sell high. California state fair was won by a red calf this past year. It just takes a real good one to do it.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 06:34:00 PM »
I would sure worry about his calves getting to big before they finished.
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Corn corn corn.  What about a high TDN ration like used in a calf fed program for finishing holsteins? 
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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 06:41:13 PM »
I am not saying he wont finish at the same rate as any steer...but like was stated earlier...some of these purebreds have the tendancy to put on a lot of frame at a young age...thus they are bigger frame wise than a lot of judges like before they put on that finish...not saying it cant work, you just have to have a little earlier finish calf if they are gonna be a really framey type...but charguy already said he is smaller framed if anything so may not be an issue.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2011, 07:32:58 PM »
Black is predominant in the midwest an fall shows but if you have thosse cream an smoke calves for down south an after first of the year it changes drastically ,an really those shows are the ones that pay good ,your midwest shows have money at all for there champions compared to the south ,an about 2/3's less calves showed ...

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2011, 10:54:17 AM »
Charguy,

As far as his pedigree and EPDs-do me.  I know Charolais pedigrees fairly well.  Where are you?

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2011, 11:26:45 AM »
Ok Mark here goes - remember not my calf but ill give you what I got

Im from Canada - forgive me I am not an expert on pedigrees but this is what I wrote down. He is out of a bull called Irish Cream. That bull is out of some red bulls from a breeder in Manitoba. Currently the bull is in the Sandan program in Alberta. They have lots of red ones. The cow is a daughter of a red bull called Crystal D Pierce. Those people were from Saskatchewan - I think they dispersed last year (maybe not dont quote me on it). The breeder said Pierce is in Southern SK now at a large breeders (I cannot remember the name). The cow on the bottom went back to a bull I was familiar with - Cigar. So he is a pretty good outcross to the US for sure - maybe in Canada there are a few more using the pedigree.

As for EPDs they are estimates because the breeder didnt register the calf yet. The BW epd was +3.2 (the cow had a high EPD of 6.7! - the bull was just under zero) WW was 53 YW was 92 Milk was 16.7. I didnt write down the rest.

As I wrote before I was a little nervous of the cows high BW epd. The calf was 96 lbs so maybe its just in her pedigree somewhere. She was only a third calver so maybe its in the pedigree and it will go down in time. I am very comfortable with the birth weight but I dont know how low most guys raising club calves like it to be? I hear 60 lbs and less on some topics - for me thats too small!

Thats all I got on pedigree sorry I am not of more help to you.

 

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