Ft Worth.

(dog)Grand sold for 230k syndicate res grand 140k perot and coors bought it
i attached a pic of the shortie too

The reason no one is worried about DNA is that the steer show has no pedigree requirements. The steers simply have to meet a set of breed characteristic standards to class, and for what its worth I dont think those standards are off.  I realize that there are cattle with papers that get classed out, but there are also a lot of cattle with papers that dont meet their breeds characteristics or standards. I think the Angus characteristic standards are pretty much spot on.  And I know that it stinks to hear that one is "to good" to be an Angus, but lets face it Angus as a breed just dont have that tremendously huge square hip and huge substance of bone that it takes to win the whole show, so when one comes through that possesses that and is trying to class Angus, its going to throw a good classifiers warning flag up and make them really study that animal.  And then thats where the longer head, longer ears tend to get you.  I know there are a lot of "pure" Angus out there that have papers and possess those traits, and I know that Angus breeders hate to hear this, but many breeders that came before you made your breed impure.  They crossed Maine and everything else into the breed to make them more competitive in carcass traits, all they really worried about in characteristic was making sure the calves were black, but these other characteristics from the other breeds like the head and ear shape came through.  Thats why there are "purebreds" that dont meet breedstandards, and not just in the Angus breed, in all breeds.  Thats also why I prefer the classification method to the steers having to have papers.  Papers can say anything you want them to say, unless they are going to DNA verify every steer that enters I think classifying is the fairest way.  Having to DNA all those steers, or having to DNA the ones that someone filed a complaint about would cripple these shows, not only the expense, but having to wait to verify the results of the show after there are complaints filed against every breed champion, etc.  I think its easier, more econoical, and more fair to just have classifiers and let an animal show in a particular breed class if the animal meets that breeds characteristics, it is after all how the feeder/packer industry works.  Certified Angus Beef after all doesnt have to have Angus papers or even come from an Angus breeder.  They just have to have a certain% black hide and meet certain body type stanrds.

Guess I didn't know there were so many texas people on here. I was there for the steer show. That orange calf was dang good, super functional, tons rib, made dang good, really what we should be looking for. Martins black calf was a hoss too, like em both but was pullin for the Orange calf to win. Lots of good cattle down there!

cowboybecoachin said:

Probably the only one's that would like to see the change are Angus breeders like myself. I hate the idea that a calf is "too good to be an Angus".

On the other hand, I have had % Maine calves win British shows. They looked a lot more "Angus" than the Lutton calf classed out this week. It is just a game that DNA would correct.

Also, there are Angus that have a longer face and bigger ears than "typical". Some Ravens and Hot Rods have some big old ears.

I know it is part of the game as the "rules" now stand. However, it can be frustrating when some of the best calves you have raised class out 3 years in a row, and they are straight Angus.

Congrats to the champ. I hope to get as good at what they do as they are.

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Just my opinion but I highly doubt the champ angus was actually angus. He was a nice "angus" but would have gotten way out hossed in class 10 cross. Not saying I would have done anything different than they did. Congrats to them for havin champ angus for sure, but that's what's nice about texas and their classifying system!

JFSC said:

Brandon Horn raised the Grand steer.

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the embryo was bought from horn, some boy in Oklahoma raised the calf

I think the classification process is flawed by looking at 1 particular part of a calf and not the whole picture to class him, especially the Americans

They classed out a ton of real American cattle, we had one that was not american and still got in while all those around us were disqualified, and I think the system is great, but the inconsistency is quite frustrating even when you do make it in the show

Grand Champion Market Steer
2012 Fort Worth Stock Show 
Shown By Cuartro Schauer - Beeville, Texas
Raised By Travis Otterstadt - Oklahoma
Sold By Adam Potts
Sired By Heat Wave
Embryo From Brandon Horn

Taken from Matt Lautners blog.

any1 have any info on the dam of this steer? (the grand champ)

Picture of the champ just before we took him to white settlement

Rear pic

if you dont like the classifying and the entire process get into the purebred game and show open shows. I personally am tired of hearing complaints about the classifying (including myself) but these steers will literally never breed anything so what does it matter if they are purebreds or in the right breeds. If its a game such as running a long sheathed hairy exotic as an american to win than do so or even if its running an exotic down to class angus when it comes to classifying there is a saying I went by when we showed its not cheating its competing. When we first started showing a guy told my dad 60% of winning a breed at a major was classifying and he was right regardless if its the good ones gettin kicked out or the fake ones getting let in its a competition and one mans opinion on a given day at a given time!

What is the "F" on the cheek of the steer?

When a calf makes the sale, it gets a brand. Thats Fort worths brand on his cheek. Houstons and San Antonio's brand is on their butt.

Gargan, it was Horn cow 419, Reiter tweeted that there will be a full sib to the steer selling in the Donors Unlimited sale.

Grand Champion as a calf.

They brand the ones that make the sale so that they can insure they dont go to anymore shows.  If they make the sale it is terminal for them, but if they dont make the sale then the kids can take them home and try again down the road with them.

We watched most all of Friday morning till the champ judging of the europeans.  Our boys aren't showing anymore and was a nice casual trip. 
Personally my pic for the Champ was the boy in the green shirt with the Khaki trousers.  I felt he was the best calf.  That calf was awesome.  Does anyone know what that calf was out of?
Funny thing I thought (if anyone was there listening to the judges final remarks) before selecting the champ of those heavier classes (where he picked the yellow steer) he actually critiqued the steer and mentioned a couple things of what he would change about that steer... then when he talked about the black steer (green shirt boy showed) said he couldn't find anything he would change.....
but yet he turned around and picked the yellow steer.  Just didn't understand that.  Yes all those calves were awesome.  But the black steer... forgot what class but for those that watched will know which one I'm speaking of.  Before that drive even before the yellow steer entered the ring we heard days before the orange steer was gonna win Grand... sure enough he did...  humm

twistedhshowstock said:

They brand the ones that make the sale so that they can insure they dont go to anymore shows.  If they make the sale it is terminal for them, but if they dont make the sale then the kids can take them home and try again down the road with them.

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Ouch! Branding a cheek? Why not just take possession of the winning animals and take them to slaughter by officials to make sure they do not re-enter the show circuit?

When we sold pigs at the fair, they had a huge tattoo that was slammed on each side of the ham, marking the carcass so when it made it to the slaughter house they could tell who bought it. I thought that was pretty cool, not as painful as a burn on the cheek!!!

Kobo two years ago when Shackelford won San Antonio...

No I didn't see them... but did you think the grand/reserve were absolutely the best calves there?  It had nothing a
t all to do with him knowing the calf or those involved?  I'm not saying they weren't the right choices, and certainly not whining at all.  Those picks may have deserved it! 
Just saying in general that it makes it hard on the ones that aren't part of the 'club'  to even break in if they keep looking past some of the unknowns. 
You can't argue that there are those that win most of the time at the shows every year and it has nothing to do with who they are or how many green backs they put into it. 

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They were able to predict which calf was going to win the show because they pay attention to the jackpots and that yellow calf has been killing it.

i could have told you last spring that if cuatros steer held together he would win ft worth, it wasnt political (not to an extreme), it was just clear cut that that calf had all the pieces and when he was pullled into the barn.... we all knew potts didnt bring him to town to get beat

kobo_ranch said:

We watched most all of Friday morning till the champ judging of the europeans.  Our boys aren't showing anymore and was a nice casual trip. 
Personally my pic for the Champ was the boy in the green shirt with the Khaki trousers.  I felt he was the best calf.  That calf was awesome.  Does anyone know what that calf was out of?
Funny thing I thought (if anyone was there listening to the judges final remarks) before selecting the champ of those heavier classes (where he picked the yellow steer) he actually critiqued the steer and mentioned a couple things of what he would change about that steer... then when he talked about the black steer (green shirt boy showed) said he couldn't find anything he would change.....
but yet he turned around and picked the yellow steer.  Just didn't understand that.  Yes all those calves were awesome.  But the black steer... forgot what class but for those that watched will know which one I'm speaking of.  Before that drive even before the yellow steer entered the ring we heard days before the orange steer was gonna win Grand... sure enough he did...  humm

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There are politics in every show!!! Especially in the steer show cause it pays a lot of money to win and people will do anything to win a steer show!!!! Especially knowing that it's gonna bring over 100,000 that will pay for 4 years of
College to anywhere!!! Heifers show not so much but still is for sure!!!! And just cause you heard about him winning a couple of days before he showed doesn't necessarily means there was politics involved!!! You get all them Big Time steer jocks they know good cattle and they can pretty much tell you what's gonna win!