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Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« on: August 29, 2016, 07:11:04 PM »
Watching some shows over the past month and perusing the show results, it appears to me that the judges are picking heifers that are more rectangular in their body shape rather than the wedge shape.  These heifers appear to me to be less feminine and plainer made than just a year or two ago.  Maybe the show world has passed me by.  Any thoughts from folks on the Planet?
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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2016, 08:52:12 AM »
I know what you're saying.  The line between what I would call a Market Heifer and a Breeding Heifer are becoming blurred in some cases.  Certainly it seems to be more of an issue in Jackpot type shows where it's not clear which type is being chosen.  Typically in breed shows it's obvious that breeding type is preferred and the wedge shape females are still coming out on top.

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 09:43:33 AM »
It's all about guts and volume! Sometimes that's not too pretty to look at. Just ask anyone that has to see me :-\ :o

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 10:06:27 AM »
This is an example of what I am seeing -- Reserve Champion Simmental Heifer

http://pulse.sullivansupply.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/kaitres.jpeg-copy.jpg

Well, the thing is, those first two suck, and the last one is quite good. I think we're still getting maternal, wedge shaped winners at the top end shows. Look at the sisters that won IL and IN. Pretty maternal and not at all boxy.

and this:

http://pulse.sullivansupply.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/res_comm_IMG_8356.jpg

versus this:

http://pulse.sullivansupply.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1ChShorthornPlusFLJS_6319.jpg
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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2016, 10:07:47 AM »
The simmy is maybe a bad example. Leather up front doesn't mean she isn't a wedge shape; just not pretty.  That's just a more traditional breed trait.  The commercial heifer you posted looks like a perfect example though.  Market heifer written all over her.

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2016, 10:09:30 AM »

Well, the thing is, those first two suck, and the last one is quite good. I think we're still getting maternal, wedge shaped winners at the top end shows. Look at the sisters that won IL and IN. Pretty maternal and not at all boxy.


Good point.  Sometime a judge has limited options at the smaller shows.  Gotta work with what's out there.

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2016, 11:19:08 AM »
Is Missouri State Fair small in the breed shows?  I saw same thing in other places with the rectangular steer looking females beating the broody types apparently more on muscle.  They were not overly muscled and had decent spring of rib, but had a little more muscle than the broody types and did not appear to be as feminine in my opinion (which no one was paying for).
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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 12:40:16 PM »
The extreme depth in some of the Shorthorn winners has become more and more apparent in the past few years.  Photos of the winners from the recent Iowa State Fair really show it.  Some neighbors that came to watch the grandkids show commented about "how fat the winners look."  My response was that judges don't consider it fat, it's depth.  I can't even begin to count the number of products that are sold to provide "depth" for cattle, hogs, and sheep.  We took several very, very good heifers to the fair, but could not compete depth wise with the winners of the classes.  It was our bad luck to get in the same classes as the "masters" but April heifers are April heifers and September heifers are September heifers. 

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 01:21:21 PM »
JMO, if you really look at the numbers, this club calf / show calf / big money deal is dwindling down a bunch. There are not very big numbers at many of the State Fairs. You can easily figure that out by looking in the back grounds of the pictures that are taken and the number of calves per class in the printed class break downs at the various fairs. There are not many cattle at the shows or people in the stands watching the cattle shows any longer. That's part of the reason we are seeing some of the bigger outfits leaving the north and heading to Texas. To find a larger number of families that are willing to spend good coin for project calves. The mid level buyers are not there like they were 5 to 10 years ago. They just can't pay the money that they were paying for calves or afford the feed bills that they think are required to compete.

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 01:39:57 PM »
Numbers have dwindled, but I've really noticed that many cattle that are actually at the fair do not end up in the show ring after the class splits are made.  That happened in both of our classes at the state fair this year.  Lots of cattle are "weeded out" earlier in the week in the junior shows.  They got beat by so and so and assume they can't compete in the open show, so why stick around?  Both heifers that won our classes did likewise at the NJSS.  They will continue to lead the way in their classes this entire show year.  The second place heifers in our classes have been extremely competitive at national level shows as well.  One was 2nd at the NJSS.  I believe the other was the reserve champion in the 4-H show.  The two class winners were shown by the owners, the second place winners were purchased for what to me is a lot of money.  Should we have stayed home?  Our heifers looked very good in the ring, we had lots of compliments, the kids spent a lot of time working on them, had a lot of fun, and are already looking forward to next year.  There's more to it than just taking home a blue ribbon.

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2016, 01:44:33 PM »
JMO, if you really look at the numbers, this club calf / show calf / big money deal is dwindling down a bunch. There are not very big numbers at many of the State Fairs. You can easily figure that out by looking in the back grounds of the pictures that are taken and the number of calves per class in the printed class break downs at the various fairs. There are not many cattle at the shows or people in the stands watching the cattle shows any longer. That's part of the reason we are seeing some of the bigger outfits leaving the north and heading to Texas. To find a larger number of families that are willing to spend good coin for project calves. The mid level buyers are not there like they were 5 to 10 years ago. They just can't pay the money that they were paying for calves or afford the feed bills that they think are required to compete.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.  I can remember 25 years ago when the Ohio State Fair had like over 400 steers there.  Now it's like 160 head.  Kinda sad.
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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2016, 01:53:34 PM »
JMO, if you really look at the numbers, this club calf / show calf / big money deal is dwindling down a bunch. There are not very big numbers at many of the State Fairs. You can easily figure that out by looking in the back grounds of the pictures that are taken and the number of calves per class in the printed class break downs at the various fairs. There are not many cattle at the shows or people in the stands watching the cattle shows any longer. That's part of the reason we are seeing some of the bigger outfits leaving the north and heading to Texas. To find a larger number of families that are willing to spend good coin for project calves. The mid level buyers are not there like they were 5 to 10 years ago. They just can't pay the money that they were paying for calves or afford the feed bills that they think are required to compete.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.  I can remember 25 years ago when the Ohio State Fair had like over 400 steers there.  Now it's like 160 head.  Kinda sad.
The question I wonder is are the kids making a profit or at least breaking even from jackpots or from the terminal fair? Might turn some away if they don't. I guess another challenge is bring in new blood once kids get too old to show 4H or FFA.

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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2016, 02:05:58 PM »
And yet, there are national Jr heifer shows that are posting record attendences.

It still takes basically two full days to judge the heifer show at IL, and our steer show takes one huge day to get through.

I don't think all shows are dying out, but it's as important as ever to be able to find affordable calves that can compete. And I think 95% of families out there are too lazy to learn how to do that.
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Re: Heifer Show Winners -- "The Look"
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2016, 02:12:21 PM »
And yet, there are national Jr heifer shows that are posting record attendences.

It still takes basically two full days to judge the heifer show at IL, and our steer show takes one huge day to get through.

I don't think all shows are dying out, but it's as important as ever to be able to find affordable calves that can compete. And I think 95% of families out there are too lazy to learn how to do that.
Amen! There are sleepers everywhere.

 

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