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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2012, 12:14:19 PM »
Your p606 and Bogart lines will give you some good thickness with a high maternal and milk line bull choices depend on what you plan on doing with the calves does it matter to you about horns or polled if this doesn't matter you have alot more to chose from go to the hereford web site and look these bulls up and see what breeders are using just because they are in a semen catalog does not make them any good   Let us know what your wanting to do with calves
As stated earlier, I am looking for showy type calves. I bred to P606 this year to get some good females as a base. I would like to have polled animals, but if there is a good horned bull I would be willing to try. I have talked to some breeders and went to Star Lake Ranch a few years ago and purchased my Bogart semen there after looking at their bull line up and calves. I only buy semen on a Hereford Bull if I have heard good reports and have seen good calves due to the fact that I have a limited hereford population to experiment with. This also means that I do my homework on each bull very carefully before I buy, and that's why im trying to find some opinions form breeders on here.

Thanks for the replies and suggestions, everyone! More are welcome! (thumbsup)

obviously with the Sim as well..

I think you might be in a similar boat as I sometimes.. In that I get to anayzing this way too much- and trying to read and research to the point of overdoing it.  From time to time, I think I need to sit back and KISS  Go with instinct instead of other's opinions.

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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2012, 12:41:29 PM »
obviously with the Sim as well..

I think you might be in a similar boat as I sometimes.. In that I get to anayzing this way too much- and trying to read and research to the point of overdoing it.  From time to time, I think I need to sit back and KISS  Go with instinct instead of other's opinions.

Thanks Jody! Haha..I do tend to over analyze... My cattle are important to me, so therefore I spend close to too much time trying to figure out what to breed them to.  <deadhorse>
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2012, 12:48:43 PM »
obviously with the Sim as well..

I think you might be in a similar boat as I sometimes.. In that I get to anayzing this way too much- and trying to read and research to the point of overdoing it.  From time to time, I think I need to sit back and KISS  Go with instinct instead of other's opinions.

Thanks Jody! Haha..I do tend to over analyze... My cattle are important to me, so therefore I spend close to too much time trying to figure out what to breed them to.  <deadhorse>

my boss tells me that they are so important b/c my livilhood depends on the right decision.  B/c I have so much invested in them.. if I had the finances to spare-- breeding decisions would be minor.. I agree...  My entire paycheck goes to basically pay feed bills.

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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2012, 12:59:56 PM »
obviously with the Sim as well..

I think you might be in a similar boat as I sometimes.. In that I get to anayzing this way too much- and trying to read and research to the point of overdoing it.  From time to time, I think I need to sit back and KISS  Go with instinct instead of other's opinions.

Thanks Jody! Haha..I do tend to over analyze... My cattle are important to me, so therefore I spend close to too much time trying to figure out what to breed them to.  <deadhorse>

my boss tells me that they are so important b/c my livilhood depends on the right decision.  B/c I have so much invested in them.. if I had the finances to spare-- breeding decisions would be minor.. I agree...  My entire paycheck goes to basically pay feed bills.

Well put. Plus, I have such a small herd of purebreds (6 Herefords and about 20 Simmentals) that if I make a mistake, it seriously impacts my herd. When I had to cull some crazy heifers, I lost about 50% of my fall replacement crop. It doesn't matter as much for my crossbreds because I have around 30, and I sell the majority of their calves at the stock sales. I show the majority of my purebre dheifers if they look good enough and have the right temperment.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2012, 01:29:52 PM »
I know this is not a bull that is on your list, but I have had extremely good success with Golden Oaks Outcross 18U. My cow base is Mark Donald so I don't know that he would niche with your cows the way he did mine. I have yet to see what I would call a bad calf out of him and even what I would call the tail end of them where much better than either the Currency or Millsap calves that I have had or have seen, that is my experience I think both bulls are very good individuals. Outcross gave me both plenty of muscle and guts in my calves, and they performed very well, and the heifers are amazing.

 I also have had very good luck with both Yankee and Harland, the Yankee calves were maybe not as stout as I would have liked,but good cattle and the Harland's have done very well and seem to be very complete. I used both Currency and Millsap last year with much anticipation and they have done okay, they have not performed as well as I would have liked. I have some semen left on both, it will stay in my tank this year and I will go back to Outcross. There are a couple of other bulls in the breed that could work very well and I intend on going to see them over the next month before I decide to make any semen purchases on them.

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2012, 01:33:00 PM »
I know this is not a bull that is on your list, but I have had extremely good success with Golden Oaks Outcross 18U. My cow base is Mark Donald so I don't know that he would niche with your cows the way he did mine. I have yet to see what I would call a bad calf out of him and even what I would call the tail end of them where much better than either the Currency or Millsap calves that I have had or have seen, that is my experience I think both bulls are very good individuals. Outcross gave me both plenty of muscle and guts in my calves, and they performed very well, and the heifers are amazing.

 I also have had very good luck with both Yankee and Harland, the Yankee calves were maybe not as stout as I would have liked,but good cattle and the Harland's have done very well and seem to be very complete. I used both Currency and Millsap last year with much anticipation and they have done okay, they have not performed as well as I would have liked. I have some semen left on both, it will stay in my tank this year and I will go back to Outcross. There are a couple of other bulls in the breed that could work very well and I intend on going to see them over the next month before I decide to make any semen purchases on them.

too bad your in Utah...  I'd think I could get a good start from there...  Did you ever decide anything on the Shorthorn bull?  I plum forgot about him due to his unknown carrier status.  Also, the emails we discussed with Maine bulls0-- came up on here on a different post.. The Ferris Strutt bull--  I was right in my projection of his breeding ability... :o

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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2012, 01:57:19 PM »
I know this is not a bull that is on your list, but I have had extremely good success with Golden Oaks Outcross 18U. My cow base is Mark Donald so I don't know that he would niche with your cows the way he did mine. I have yet to see what I would call a bad calf out of him and even what I would call the tail end of them where much better than either the Currency or Millsap calves that I have had or have seen, that is my experience I think both bulls are very good individuals. Outcross gave me both plenty of muscle and guts in my calves, and they performed very well, and the heifers are amazing.

 I also have had very good luck with both Yankee and Harland, the Yankee calves were maybe not as stout as I would have liked,but good cattle and the Harland's have done very well and seem to be very complete. I used both Currency and Millsap last year with much anticipation and they have done okay, they have not performed as well as I would have liked. I have some semen left on both, it will stay in my tank this year and I will go back to Outcross. There are a couple of other bulls in the breed that could work very well and I intend on going to see them over the next month before I decide to make any semen purchases on them.

too bad your in Utah...  I'd think I could get a good start from there...  Did you ever decide anything on the Shorthorn bull?  I plum forgot about him due to his unknown carrier status.  Also, the emails we discussed with Maine bulls0-- came up on here on a different post.. The Ferris Strutt bull--  I was right in my projection of his breeding ability... :o

Doug and I have not made connections on the shorthorn bull yet but have talked a time or two. I did not see the thread on Ranch Strut, so I will have to search it. I did get all of my Capieche calves on the ground from my heifers and they look pretty good, I will post some pictures.

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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 05:00:24 PM »
If you are looking at bulls from Star Lake you are on the right track I have some calves coming from Market Index have several good calves from our bogart son and back in time, bright future  have a interest in shock wave to use next year  and back in times maternal brother long drive . pick the thickest best bulls that you can find I would keep the milk epd high this will give you a heifer that is marketable

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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 06:45:06 PM »
I know this is not a bull that is on your list, but I have had extremely good success with Golden Oaks Outcross 18U. My cow base is Mark Donald so I don't know that he would niche with your cows the way he did mine. I have yet to see what I would call a bad calf out of him and even what I would call the tail end of them where much better than either the Currency or Millsap calves that I have had or have seen, that is my experience I think both bulls are very good individuals. Outcross gave me both plenty of muscle and guts in my calves, and they performed very well, and the heifers are amazing.

 I also have had very good luck with both Yankee and Harland, the Yankee calves were maybe not as stout as I would have liked,but good cattle and the Harland's have done very well and seem to be very complete. I used both Currency and Millsap last year with much anticipation and they have done okay, they have not performed as well as I would have liked. I have some semen left on both, it will stay in my tank this year and I will go back to Outcross. There are a couple of other bulls in the breed that could work very well and I intend on going to see them over the next month before I decide to make any semen purchases on them.

too bad your in Utah...  I'd think I could get a good start from there...  Did you ever decide anything on the Shorthorn bull?  I plum forgot about him due to his unknown carrier status.  Also, the emails we discussed with Maine bulls0-- came up on here on a different post.. The Ferris Strutt bull--  I was right in my projection of his breeding ability... :o

Doug and I have not made connections on the shorthorn bull yet but have talked a time or two. I did not see the thread on Ranch Strut, so I will have to search it. I did get all of my Capieche calves on the ground from my heifers and they look pretty good, I will post some pictures.

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