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Is incorrect aging becoming a problem in the industry?

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Offline jennamarie

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Is Aging a new problem?
« on: January 06, 2015, 05:02:13 PM »
I feel as if I join a large group of people that have sat in the stands at more than a handful of shows and asked myself "How the heck did she get into this class, she looks like she's supposed to be a cow already." Birthdates are "backdated" in an effort to give yourself an advantage. It seems as if the show industry heats up and becomes more and more competitive this is becoming a way to get ahead. I'm working on a speech relating to the issue of the aging of heifers specifically.. Asking for how my fellow members feel on this issue and if you feel as if it is a real issue. Thanks in advance for your help!!

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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2015, 05:12:09 PM »
yes it is appearing to become a issue.  It seems odd when a heifer of the same age doesn't have much of a tail ball and the rest of the class does and towers over the top of her.  I can see genetics playing a little part in cattle size but the thing with the ones that are being aged is you will probably get beat on size early but it will catch up and they will stale at the end and the ones that are not aged will continue to grow and in the end look fresher....Just my opinion for what it is worth.

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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2015, 05:20:33 PM »
Been a problem forever to the honest cattleman.

One fella I spoke to recently told me he is almost done with his March and April calves and is expecting his first May heifers late next week.

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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2015, 05:22:17 PM »
do you believe there's a way to solve this problem?

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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2015, 06:00:29 PM »
Don't show babies. We rarely do, and are all the happier for it.
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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2015, 06:10:36 PM »
Don't show babies. We rarely do, and are all the happier for it.
Exactly. Its easy to tell the puds at 1.5 yrs old
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2015, 06:35:44 PM »
Same with little league, getting in bars etc
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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2015, 07:00:02 PM »
LL Bux and Gargan hit it on the head along with Olson-I just dont see how some of these judges can keep a straight face-or thier credentials-when they speak in serious tones about the obvious dishonesty in front of them-I was at Denver once When GARY BUCHOLTZ DID JUST THE OPPOSITE-and every one but the owner(s) of the female was grinning O0

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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2015, 09:00:15 PM »
Its happened for years. We have a neighbor that only raises March/April born calves according to there spring sale listing each year. However I've been over to help them calve multiple cows around Christmas and see there herd bulls go out in April and back home by June each year. Makes his bulls look like better performers when selling them as yearlings. Although his customers often complain the calves don't meet their expectations when they hit ground. Seen it a lot as a kid in 4h shows as well when showing pairs.

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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 07:39:00 AM »
Certainly one of my pet peeves, and has been going on as long as I can remember.  Crazy when an operation sells only spring heifers, but has a bunch of late fall/early winter born bulls....just doesn't add up.

I have come to the conclusion that we are in the minority when we report only actual birthdates.

There's an old adage to remember...."If you tell the truth always, you won't have to remember the facts that you lied about"!

Honesty is always the best policy, but the greed in the world gets in the way.




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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 08:41:51 AM »
 Come to texas, if you think it's bad where you are  (lol)
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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 09:28:11 AM »
It's prevented by creating a breed standard of weights and measures like the Brahman exhibitors have done that you must pass to be eligible to show
Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best. -Tim Duncan

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 09:46:21 AM »
It is AWFUL in Texas.  And the crazy thing...I've noticed over the past 2-3 years-the judges are blind to the fact they have a heifer that stands 6-8" taller then the rest of the class and out weighs them by 150-200lbs and they use her and talk her up. Then in division bury her cause she's stale or what not.  I'm new to the heifer deal in Texas.  I had a heifer last year stand 2nd at FW, SA, and Houston behind the same heifer that was aged.  Karma caught up with that family...by state show and nationals their heifer fell apart and was "sent to pasture" cause she didn't look the part of a yearling heifer anymore. 

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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2015, 09:59:00 AM »
That's because judges are hired to kiss kids asses and not to promote integrity in the industry for fear of hurting someone's feelings

It catches them all, everyone wonders why the calf classes have 30 and the bred classes have 5, that stale factor will bite you

Watch the calf division in the red angus show if you want to see it at it's worst
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Re: Is Aging a new problem?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 10:26:29 AM »
Buckholtz said it something like this at Denver-"I was going to start the class with this big hiefer because of her "unbelievable mass and scale"-however when I asked the young lady what her due date was she said she didnt know-that might apply to other dates as well-thats why I moved her to the bottom of the class" (lol) O0

 

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