Nothing is Sacred Anymore-- ISF Butter Cow

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Shorthorns4us

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What the heck is going on with these animal groups????  Vandalism at the ISF on the Famous Butter Cow!!  There are things you just respect no matter what your beliefs. 
Fortunately the great team there was able to get the cow fixed and ready for the public!!!

Does anyone in these groups understand what animal agriculture is and how important it is???  Again how do we get these people to respect our way of life.

Just venting-- The Butter Cow is as American as Apple Pie and you don't mess with it!!
EF
 

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If the law had any guts at all, they would send a bill to a.l.f. for the clean up, and investigation. The organization admitted to doing it, so make them pay.

I am guessing since many of the animal rights people are followers and not leaders, most of them do not realize that butter is made from milk and "no animal is harmed", but of course that doesn't matter to those people.  You are talking about people who would rather see an animal suffer to "make their case" than to step up and stop the abuse immediately, like most of us would do.  They do not care about animals, but rather have decided to blindly follow a group that is ill informed and is ignorant.

I huge pat on the back to all the workers who made it possible to clean up the mess and have the display open today without any delay. My only fault is to the media for giving this "organization" ANY media attention.  No word should have been spoken. Clean it up. And go on. Why give them what they want?


 

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If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.
 

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-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

Why stand for one another and all play the game as members of the same team. When we can point the finger at others for blame and divide the one team we should all be on

If we ditch the harsh things now, then it's the next thing, branding will be the most horrible thing, then ear tagging, then castrating, dehorning ect. They will always have something to "use" or bitch about- so why don't we all join up for a whole cause (animal ag) instead of blaming each other? That would require too much common sense and that's why we are losing
 

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-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

Gestation crates being inhumane, is there data to support that?
 

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commercialfarmer said:
-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

Gestation crates being inhumane, is there data to support that?

You must be disconnected from the definition of 'inhumane' as I don't know that a feeling can be quantified through your suggestion of formal data.  One must simply ask themself, "if it weren't for the love of money, (again, compromising the soul of man) would these practices continue to slide by our moral compass and be deemed acceptable?  Just pray about it- perhaps that's what's needed. 

Outside of a cpl swine practices, SOME veal operations, and some indoor feedlots- I'm the biggest proponent of the ag industry.  Fortunately, the consumers are speaking up and the more exposure those practices get ==> the more the producers will then listen==> the sooner the ag industry as a whole will rid themselves of the stereotypes associated with those practices. 

The domino effect has to stop being used as a defense. 
 

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-XBAR- said:
commercialfarmer said:
-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

Gestation crates being inhumane, is there data to support that?

You must be disconnected from the definition of 'inhumane' as I don't know that a feeling can be quantified through your suggestion of formal data.  One must simply ask themself, "if it weren't for the love of money, (again, compromising the soul of man) would these practices continue to slide by our moral compass and be deemed acceptable?  Just pray about it- perhaps that's what's needed. 

Outside of a cpl swine practices, SOME veal operations, and some indoor feedlots- I'm the biggest proponent of the ag industry.  Fortunately, the consumers are speaking up and the more exposure those practices get ==> the more the producers will then listen==> the sooner the ag industry as a whole will rid themselves of the stereotypes associated with those practices. 

The domino effect has to stop being used as a defense.

I do not doubt that there is much.... you do not know know or understand young grasshopper.  The world is large and full of many wonderous things.  There is much order in nature, and order stacked on order.  It has existed since creation, but we are slow to unlock its keys.  But understand this, all emotions have physical manifestations, and these are measurable.  The brains emotions and the physical body are not disconnected, but instead tightly woven.

Inhumane treatment will cause emotional and/or physical stress.  This stress will cause increased cortisol production, increased blood pressure, alterations in heart rhythm, and respiration, alteration in weight, changes in protein synthesis.  Animals that are stressed do not perform as efficiently as animals that are not stressed.

Anything that truly has an effect can be measured, otherwise, how do you know it is having an effect? 

Where is the data to support the claim?  Maybe it is true... if it is, it can be measured. 
 

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-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

What is your experience with sows?

Mutilating each other while developing a hierarchy?

Not being able to turn around shouldn't constitute cruelty.

G-crates have helped tremendously with individual sow care.
 

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-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

So rather than putting this on your liberal group you are trying to spin this into being the Ag Industry's problem?  You are blinded by your love for everything liberal. 
 

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These animal rights groups are teaching their children that vandalism is noble. Maybe if their children had to visit their parents in jail for a few years , it might teach them more.
 

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i thought it was red angus or shorthorn's sick of the year after year charolais advertising.
 

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Silence is violence.

forcheyhawk said:
-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

So rather than putting this on your liberal group you are trying to spin this into being the Ag Industry's problem?  You are blinded by your love for everything liberal. 

It's the blinders you wear that allow you to compromise all, in the name of production agriculture.
 

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-XBAR- said:
Silence is violence.

forcheyhawk said:
-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

So rather than putting this on your liberal group you are trying to spin this into being the Ag Industry's problem?  You are blinded by your love for everything liberal. 

It's the blinders you wear that allow you to compromise all, in the name of production agriculture.

You call blaming the group responsible for this activity wearing blinders?  You come out in your response and say it's production agriculture's fault for this activity because they haven't distanced themselves from what you call inhumane treatments.  I completely disagree with most statements you make on steerplanet, but this is the most absurd I've heard yet.  At some point, we have to hold groups that support illegal activities accountable.
 

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Shorthorns4us said:
What the heck is going on with these animal groups????  Vandalism at the ISF on the Famous Butter Cow!!  There are things you just respect no matter what your beliefs. 
Fortunately the great team there was able to get the cow fixed and ready for the public!!!

Does anyone in these groups understand what animal agriculture is and how important it is???  Again how do we get these people to respect our way of life.

Just venting-- The Butter Cow is as American as Apple Pie and you don't mess with it!!
EF


I took the time to follow a link on Facebook about the story. Read the story. Then thought well I will read the comments section about 2 minutes of reading I had to shut it down. THe public perception of how dairies are run is absolutely insane. I think if you want to protest something super that's your right in the good ol' USA. BUT this was plain vandalism. Someone worked very hard to create the piece of art. The time and energy and resources were not respected at all. IF they wanted to make a statement how about a big sign on the case or come and protest the opening. But What they did was plain criminal. Breaking and entering and vandalism.

 

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forcheyhawk said:
-XBAR- said:
Silence is violence.

forcheyhawk said:
-XBAR- said:
If the ag industry as a whole would separate themselves from some of the more unjust ag practices such as gestation crates and propagating animals with genetic defects, the distinction between animal abusers and those that care a great deal about the general well being of their animals would become much more apparent. I feel as long as the industry as a whole defends these practices, both will continue to be judged as one in the same. And that's unfortunate.

So rather than putting this on your liberal group you are trying to spin this into being the Ag Industry's problem?  You are blinded by your love for everything liberal. 

It's the blinders you wear that allow you to compromise all, in the name of production agriculture.

You call blaming the group responsible for this activity wearing blinders?  You come out in your response and say it's production agriculture's fault for this activity because they haven't distanced themselves from what you call inhumane treatments.  I completely disagree with most statements you make on steerplanet, but this is the most absurd I've heard yet.  At some point, we have to hold groups that support illegal activities accountable.

Make no mistake! I don't agree with their response.  They destroyed another's property and I have no respect for that. All I did was urge, and I will continue to urge, ag proponents to distance themselves from the practices I listed. 

And it's not 'just what I call.'  Here's the quantitative data. 9 states have already banned the practice of g crates. Many more states already have the proposal in the state legislature.  Your countrymen are speaking. Will you listen?
 

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Not a lot of time to get into this thoroughly, but.... slavery was also held as being acceptable by a majority of the states xbar. So did that, or does that, make it right?
Do not confuse "right" or "acceptable" with having either a minority or even a majority opinion.
 

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BTDT said:
Not a lot of time to get into this thoroughly, but.... slavery was also held as being acceptable by a majority of the states xbar. So did that, or does that, make it right?
Do not confuse "right" or "acceptable" with having either a minority or even a majority opinion.

You're making my point.  The majority of states still allow g crates.  No, that does not make it right. But just like with slavery, (your example) public attention was drawn to the injustices and slowly but surely, the practice was outlawed.

On a side note, I'm curious as to what principle guides you in your determinant of 'right and wrong.'
 

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Your point about what?  Trying to use the Iowa State Fair butter cow defamation as a forum to talk about political issues important to you?  I think it's extremely insensitive to all the people that enjoy the butter cow every year to hijack another thread with your thoughts.  Why don't you go back to explaining why your highly productive cattle can't beat Sullivan's and Cyclone Trace.  Both of those operations have forgot more about cattle than you'll ever know.  You are just too self consumed to understand that.
 
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