Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle

mark tenenbaum · Aug 2, 2014

I agree-and I dont think people are trying to propogate trainwrecks-Ive been seeing more and more massive cool clean animals coming from THC and PHA carriers-And to a non-salebarn non colorblind person like me-I like them fine for show-and even to upgrade (or change)some commercial cattle for club calves.Why throw away a good animal when you can breed it clean and maybe get a really good one thats 50% on the good side(clean) and will produce clean ? O0

shortyjock89 · Aug 2, 2014

aj said:
In my statement......I said that "I'll bet" that 9 out of ten kids......etc.. I did not present that as fact. In my opinion show cattle of today have no enviromental pressure put on them. It is et after et after et......special diets and breeding schedules. This is not conducive to raising cattle that excell in a range condition. That is my opinion. It is my goal to be defect free. I figured I spent between 9 and 10 grand on testing since it has become available. Alot of people don't like to hear the truth. If you don't want my opinion on here you need to start impeachment procedings I guess.

Feel free to post your opinions, post them all. But also be expected to be called out when your opinion is utter dreck.

If you want cattle that are beyond peer in the ranging and hardiness categories, there are lots of Longhorn and Bos Indicus cattle that could probably suit you better. Feed them sage and salt water and watch the money roll in.

aj · Aug 2, 2014

Atta boy....set up a strawman and knock em down. Weaned calves are bringing 1300$ at the salebarn....unless they are club calves. They bring about half that.....bahahahahahaahhah

mark tenenbaum · Aug 3, 2014

Or unless they are Shorthorns or Durham reds YUUUK YUUK O0

Doc · Aug 5, 2014

Okotoks said:
Dale said:

On the ASA animal search bulls are listed as follows:

Deerpark Improver DS-C

Deerpark Improver 2nd DS-F
Deerpark Improver 57 DS-F
IDS Duke of Dublin DS-F

If you see others, please post. Are there any that are DS-H on there?

We just sent in several to the lab, and the turn around is maybe less than 2 weeks. Is DS test cost $20 now?

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Here is some from a list I have been keeping, if I did any wrong please let me know as I tried to double check them.
DS Results Bulls DSF
A & T Captain Obvious DSF
CF Solution X ET DSF
Coalpitt Creek Leader 6th DSF
Deerpark Improver 2 DSF DSF
Deerpark Improver 57 DSF
Deerpark Leader 13th DSF
Diamond Prophecy 21P DSF
Diamond Zulu 3CZ DSF
Dunbeacon Venture DSF
Eionmor Piper 23Z DSF
Herbourne B Manitoba Gus 13Z DSF
IDS Duke of Dublin DSF
JSF Gauge 137W DSF
Lakeside Doc Clark 918 DSF
Lakeside Lo Rider 007 DSF
Lakeside Power play 2P DSF
Leveldale Javelin 535R DSF
Homeplace Touchdown 1209 DSF
Homeplace Wild Side 1215 is DSF.
NPS Durango 774 CBH ET DSF
RAS Vintage 1119 DSF
SULL GNCC Salute 532R ET DSF
SULL Red Demand 9329 ET DSF
SULL Red Reward 9321 DSF
TEGM Red Advantage 100T DSF
YY The Earl Of Dover 118U DSF

Bulls DSC
Deerpark Improver 3684142 DSC
Homeplace Wild Side 1315 DSC
JJC Wild Side *x4045349 DSC
JSFCapiche 46U DSC
Len Ru T A Leader 3744349 DSC
NPS Improvers Stride 832X, DSC
OCC Jake’s Pride 245B DSC

Females both DSF and DSC
Diamond Xena Susan 21X DSF
Diamond Zinnia Baroness 26Z DSF
Hale’s Royal Rosemary KDR 3995567 DSF
Homeplace Fair Lady 0908 DSF
HUB’s 18 Clementine 0529 x4105752 DSF
HUB’s 18 Princess 0579 x4105765 DSF
JAB Majors Hope M01 x4033353 DSF
Lakeside Royal Fantastic 601S DSC
HUB’s BM Dolly 0404 4088921 DSC

Here's a couple more that I have come across.
Bulls :
FSF Bearcat - DSH
FSF Assasin - DSH
R-C WG Damn Proud - DSC
KaBa Legend 102R - DSC

Cows:
Jakes Sierra - DSC

sue · Aug 5, 2014

Thanks for posting "some" of our DS results- but the "turnaround time" was not two weeks for us..... more like 8 months. The actual DS marker was Identified the end of May 2013- I sent samples early June of 2013 with results end of Dec and late Jan of 2014.

Doc · Aug 6, 2014

sue said:
Thanks for posting "some" of our DS results- but the "turnaround time" was not two weeks for us..... more like 8 months. The actual DS marker was Identified the end of May 2013- I sent samples early June of 2013 with results end of Dec and late Jan of 2014.

Yea, I sent in 1 bull and 15 cows and am on 3 weeks now.

oakview · Aug 6, 2014

Interesting cattle appearing on the DSC (and DSH) list. You could sure make some assumptions based on the pair shown as DSH. Odd defect in that cattle can be DSH and not physically show the deformity.

Okotoks · Aug 6, 2014

oakview said:
Interesting cattle appearing on the DSC (and DSH) list. You could sure make some assumptions based on the pair shown as DSH. Odd defect in that cattle can be DSH and not physically show the deformity.

It seems one could make some pretty accurate assumption if I understand this. DSH stands for homozygous carrier right? So unlike TH or PHA or other lethal recessives when you get the defect from both parents the animal is DSH and can live plus then passes on the defective gene 100% of the time? If that is right then both parents of DSH animals have to be either DSC or DSH, can DL or someone confirm this? :-\

RyanChandler · Aug 6, 2014

I'm anxious to find out what % of dsh cattle have express a debilitating defect? My hunch is that it is going to be very, very low.

Dale · Aug 7, 2014

Is there liability (to the individual breeder or ASA) for selling carriers or potential carriers to people who do not realize that there are defects? Some leading breeders have tested a lot of cattle--we to purchase from them and support their sales, because we don't have to guess about potential problems. We test bulls for TH and DS even if they are pedigree free.

Carrier genes are like noxious weeds--none is plenty.

Dale · Aug 9, 2014

DSH females are surely out there. Have you found any of them in your searching?

I just talked to another breeder and thanked him for testing his herd bulls (past and present) for DS. Leadership is appreciated.

coyote · Aug 13, 2014

Muridale Buster 14K DSF
Saskvalley Bonanza 219M DSF
Muridale Buster 2nd 76P DSF

knabe · Aug 13, 2014

coyote said:
Muridale Buster 14K DSF
Saskvalley Bonanza 219M DSF
Muridale Buster 2nd 76P DSF

Doc · Aug 15, 2014

SULL Red Stallion - DSC

Dale · Aug 16, 2014

It looks like some breeders are leaders in testing everything that needs tested. Doc, Sullivan's herd bulls that I've looked up have been tested, or they have DSF cattle between them and any possible carrier. Waukaru (Jordan Family) and Tom Turner have also tested and posted. These leading breeders are saving their customers a lot of money in the long run. Sue (Lakeside) has helped by informing us about which of her sires are clean (I don't need to test my Captain daughters!). Oakview, Okotoks & Coyote, you obviously want to keep your customers informed. A.J., thanks for investing time and money into this.

aj · Aug 17, 2014

Has there been any clean jpj sons that have surfaced.....or been pushed to the fore front a little bit? What about lot 11a in Cates sale? Has he been tested? I guess Damn Proud the sire is a double carrier? If there isn't a look to DSC's......why haven't any jpj sons come up clean and look the part?

Okotoks · Aug 17, 2014

aj said:
Has there been any clean jpj sons that have surfaced.....or been pushed to the fore front a little bit? What about lot 11a in Cates sale? Has he been tested? I guess Damn Proud the sire is a double carrier? If there isn't a look to DSC's......why haven't any jpj sons come up clean and look the part?

CF Twilight *4158630 DS-F is a JPJ son. His dam and sire are both THF and PHAF and Twilight sure is a good looking bull.

Doc · Aug 17, 2014

Okotoks said:
aj said:

Has there been any clean jpj sons that have surfaced.....or been pushed to the fore front a little bit? What about lot 11a in Cates sale? Has he been tested? I guess Damn Proud the sire is a double carrier? If there isn't a look to DSC's......why haven't any jpj sons come up clean and look the part?

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CF Twilight *4158630 DS-F is a JPJ son. His dam and sire are both THF and PHAF and Twilight sure is a good looking bull.

Yea and unfortunately he's deceased.

Dale · Aug 20, 2014

*x4003647 PHA-F TH-F DS-F DNA-Y DFS RED RIDER 844 ET

Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle

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