Why would anyone be a doctor?

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aj

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With Obama care........why would anyone want to be a doctor? Why would anyone spend 10 years in school and tens of thousands of dollars in medical.......to be a doctor. You know you won't be paid for it. Everyone will be paid exactly the same in Obama's utopia that lies ahead. Thanks in advance.
 

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You don't even want to get me started on Obama Care.  Our health insurance just went up 209.00 a month to $763.00 we have a hsa.  We've paid our own healthcare for 31 years.  Maybe I'll just sell everything and go on welfare.  The working man doesn't have a snowball's chance in !!!!  Very sad too look at the down fall of America!
 

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my husband and i both have full time jobs, we have both always carried health insurance, giving us a primary and secondary, this year, mine rose to $650/month alone!  and im considered a state/government employee (teacher)...thats more than our farm mortage payment!!!!  needless to say, i dropped my health insurance, well, i had to file a grievance to be able to drop it, and had to jump through fire blazing circles to get it done...
 

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As I understand it.........Obamas plan for socialistic utopia was to put private insurance companies out of business. Force everybody into the central planning committee's plan.
 

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aj said:
As I understand it.........Obamas plan for socialistic utopia was to put private insurance companies out of business. Force everybody into the central planning committee's plan.

That would be a great idea. Premiums will drop drastically w/ that large of a pool.  Similiar to the state of Wyoming's auto insurance pool.
 

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my day job is working with physicians and hospitals all over the country and have been doing so for over 20 years so have a reasonable insight into the issue - I cannot really speak to the individual premium costs but in general one must presume that they will for the most part be higher  - the larger overall issue that I see is that of quality and quantity of healthcare in the future in this country - many young physicians come out of training with $100k to $200k or even more medical school debt - depending upon the specialty that they choose, as incomes between specialties vary a great deal, it will be difficult for them to pay that debt back unless the get some assistance from a more rural hospital, where they probably don't want to live, will help them pay it off for an agreement to practice there for x number of years  - more and more young folks that are the brightest are not choosing medical school for a career - think about it, you are 30 years old or older before you get your first real job that pays a 6-figure income and will be in debt up to your eyes - in more metro areas there are people all over that are making 300k to 500k in the business world, probably selling something, that never have to make rounds on weekends or go in on Saturday night to do surgery on some drunk that was in a car wreck that is hoping for a chance to sue you - pediatrics, family medicine will not make this kind of income - and lets face it, the work is generally not pleasant - next time you are in Wal-Mart look at the people around you - think of them being your patients and seeing them naked in order diagnose some condition - another issue is that for many tough specialties such as critical care and other such specialties that require those 70 to 80 hour weeks we see the American trained physicians moving away from such and in recent years we have relied more on foreign physicians as it is not a life style choice of preference - say what you want about foreign physicians but we would be in deep poop without them - however fewer of them are coming to this country and many that do so for training are going either back home to practice or to some other country when incomes are better as the improving economies in developing countries have changed the playing field - so it is diminished supply of physicians with a surging population, many of them obese with multiple physical issues and an aging population of baby boomers that are for the most part going to live longer - if we stay on this path, and I think that we will, you will see long waits to see a physician, particularly specialties, as well as delays in receiving treatments, some of which would be considered lifesaving - health care 10 years from now will be very different on this path - I could go on and on about the issue as it is important for all of us but I need to get back to work as my mental break is looking at Steer Planet - but I have conversations like this almost daily with folks all over - I know that people with cattle interests from all over looking at this board think that all physicians make tons of money - some of them do - however a lot of them make a good living with a compromised lifestyle - so if you have a good doc that you know and trust for your personal care and the care of your family be thankful and tell them so - they pay a lifestyle price and have done so since high school to do what they do - 
 

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JimF said:
my day job is working with physicians and hospitals all over the country and have been doing so for over 20 years so have a reasonable insight into the issue - I cannot really speak to the individual premium costs but in general one must presume that they will for the most part be higher  - the larger overall issue that I see is that of quality and quantity of healthcare in the future in this country - many young physicians come out of training with $100k to $200k or even more medical school debt - depending upon the specialty that they choose, as incomes between specialties vary a great deal, it will be difficult for them to pay that debt back unless the get some assistance from a more rural hospital, where they probably don't want to live, will help them pay it off for an agreement to practice there for x number of years  - more and more young folks that are the brightest are not choosing medical school for a career - think about it, you are 30 years old or older before you get your first real job that pays a 6-figure income and will be in debt up to your eyes - in more metro areas there are people all over that are making 300k to 500k in the business world, probably selling something, that never have to make rounds on weekends or go in on Saturday night to do surgery on some drunk that was in a car wreck that is hoping for a chance to sue you - pediatrics, family medicine will not make this kind of income - and lets face it, the work is generally not pleasant - next time you are in Wal-Mart look at the people around you - think of them being your patients and seeing them naked in order diagnose some condition - another issue is that for many tough specialties such as critical care and other such specialties that require those 70 to 80 hour weeks we see the American trained physicians moving away from such and in recent years we have relied more on foreign physicians as it is not a life style choice of preference - say what you want about foreign physicians but we would be in deep poop without them - however fewer of them are coming to this country and many that do so for training are going either back home to practice or to some other country when incomes are better as the improving economies in developing countries have changed the playing field - so it is diminished supply of physicians with a surging population, many of them obese with multiple physical issues and an aging population of baby boomers that are for the most part going to live longer - if we stay on this path, and I think that we will, you will see long waits to see a physician, particularly specialties, as well as delays in receiving treatments, some of which would be considered lifesaving - health care 10 years from now will be very different on this path - I could go on and on about the issue as it is important for all of us but I need to get back to work as my mental break is looking at Steer Planet - but I have conversations like this almost daily with folks all over - I know that people with cattle interests from all over looking at this board think that all physicians make tons of money - some of them do - however a lot of them make a good living with a compromised lifestyle - so if you have a good doc that you know and trust for your personal care and the care of your family be thankful and tell them so - they pay a lifestyle price and have done so since high school to do what they do - 

I think about this once in awhile. My ob doctor that delivered my son last year. It was his first year with a practice out of school. He was very knowledgeable but he was there with me off and on for two days. Plus seeing his patients in the office.  He was reachable by phone not a nurse if you had a question he called you back. Now I think what kind of personal life is that?? No wonder the guy is single. Lol. Very good doctor that could make twice as much at a larger hospital.
 

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Any kid smart enough to get through college and into med school has more than a few career choices that can make them similar money to being a doctor - engineering, high end computer hardware/software development, etc.  Most people become doctors because they have a passion for helping people and want a job that carries the respect that being a doctor does.  Med school intentionally tries to weed out the students that are purely in it for the money.  Doctors won't ever be hurting financially.  As far as student loan debt, get in line.  Almost anyone graduating college with an undergraduate and certainly a graduate degree has to incur debt.  I'd rather be trying to pay off a $250K medical school loand with a $100-$150K job on Day 1 out of school than a $50K debt with a $40K job.

Our politicians - Obama included - are trying to solve a problem that is essentially unsolvable.  I think our country's predisposition toward compromise - which is 99% of the time one of the great things about us - works us against us in that case.  I think you could have a very successful Government-run healthcare program or a very successful privately-run healthcare program.  Having a combination of both is a bureaucratic disaster that sticks the burden of paying on a few people.  I pay a heck of a lot for my very good privately-funded health insurance and I pay a heck of a lot in taxes to fund Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare.  I don't mind paying for either - just not both.

At the end of the day the problem is still every one of us.  When we go to the doctor or hospital, we don't ask how much its going to cost.  We might not go for every little cold, but when a family member is old or comes down with a terminal illness we pull out all the stops and worry about the bills later.  It is very much a moral dillema, but I really believe our current approach is untenable.  Science/medicine can do a lot to extend life - but can we individually and as a society really afford it?
 

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Because God put us here to be healers.  I'm busier know than I was 7 years ago and make about 30% less.  It doesn't bother me because I know I change peoples lives for the better.  If a young person is wanting to become a Doctor because they make a lot of money then they are doing it for the wrong reason.  I truly believe that I'm doing what God put me here to do and I will continue to do it as long as I can without regard to income.  There are greater rewards than money.
 

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Money is a consideration of course, but I doubt it is the #1 reason any person goes into the profession. Like has been said above, if a person becomes a doctor just to get the money, then I hope they are never my doctor or any of my families or friends.  I am not agreeing with anything Obama is trying to do in regards to health care, but it seems to me that doctors under any government or administration make pretty decent money. I live in Canada where we have had public medicare for over 50 years now. My doctor was born and raised in my commumity. His wife is a doctor as well. They just moved into a new home that cost over $1 Million to build and they both drive red convertible  foreign cars. They are both in the late 30s and they globe trot to exotic destinations at least twice a year.I also have a doctor in my family, and he is the only one in my family that has a ski lodge home in the mountains, another home in Maui, and a very uptown home on the West Coast where he has a medical practice. It seems to me all the doctors I seem to know are doing just fine, regardless of where they live. 

I am not saying our system is the best or better than the US health care system, because it is not. I do believe there are pluses and negatives to any health care system.
 

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How will the liability issue deal work. Would a government doctor still need a billion dollar liabilty insurance? Does the government back them. Would you be suing the government? Would the government just shoot you? Will the trial lawyers group even be a player after donating billions of dollars over the years to the Dems? If you could sue the government you could get some easy money fast couldn't you? How about the people playing the diasability game? Medical marajuana? Wouldn't a government run system kill medical marajuana? If doctors didn't have to have liability insurance that would help. B ut if they pull a Stalin.....and take you out and shoot you if you goof up.....that would would be a bitch.
 

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In 2012, the government took how many billions of dollars out of the US economy in the form of subsidies, tax breaks, regulation, owning too much land, the list is really almost endless.  the myopic view that profit is not rolled back into the economy is either envy or sloth.  i know of a few health insurance people that purchase shorthorns. perhaps we should just hang them and get it over with.
 
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