That is really a good all around group of cattle-looks to me like you know how to breed them-The Hardline looks more like him than the few Ive seen-I saw him as a long yearling on cows-and HE SMOKED-everything there-especially the red full sib to heatwave-very underrated bull-JMO: the z-28 Angus,and Cathy doner stand out for various reasons-because they arent necessarily big time name breeding-just real good. O0