librarian
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Helps me put all this breed wrangling in perspective
http://britannicrarebreeds.co.uk/breedoriginmaps.php
http://britannicrarebreeds.co.uk/breedoriginmaps.php
Don't forget that Amos and Anthony Cruickshank drew heavily from all across England and Scotland for their seedstock. They even introduced some Bates bred cows to the herd as well as many bulls from Booth bloodlines. The final results of Amos Cruickshanks breeding were probably smaller framed than most Booth cattle but were very easy keeping and finished more quickly.librarian said:That map does not include scotch Shorthorns, which would appear right above Aberdeen Angus.
I think Sittydon was in Banff, must next to Aberdeen.
If Scottish cattle were driven to Norfolk and Suffolk to fatten, and the steers sold well, it only makes sense to put a northern cross into the Shorthorns to come up with a larger animal that met the market demands.
My reading is that the pioneering improved Shorthorn breeders had a lot of imagination and tried different crosses ask the time to come up with useful market animals. They were not up tight about pedigrees as much as the second wave of pure blood live stock marketers were.
Pure Collins might not be pure Shorthorn, but the Collins strain was superior for the market.
I really think a lot of this obsession with purity comes from deep seated English insecurity about the vigor, fertility and prepotency of the Scottish. (cattle, I mean, smile)
The major change in the program was Lancaster Comet (11663) through his son Champion of England (17526) and the subsequent line breeding to Champion of England. Lancaster Comet came from Wilkinson of Lenton, Nottinghamshire in 1858 and the village of Lenton became part of Nottingham in 1877. Only a dozen calves were got by Lancaster Comet at Cruickshanks but Comet was 8 years old when he arrived there.librarian said:Sinclair tells about Cruickshank looking all over for cattle he liked. He struck gold in Nottingham.
I think that's down in the SE end of England...I was trying to relate that to the msp the other day
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924080031044#page/n11/mode/2up
Really have to go move snow....
The Shannon cattle were allowed in the Canadian Herdbook earlier than the Deerpark/ Highfield cattle as they had pedigrees. I believe they were dual or milking bloodlines.oakview said:The lack of a pedigree of the Irish Shorthorns is often mentioned on this site. Didn't the Shannon herd trace back to the Herdbook? It seems as though some Shannon bred cattle came over, Shannon Magnificient, Shannon Music, Shannon Margie, maybe others and I read somewhere that maybe they were among some Irish herds that had more of an ancestry than "Foundation." More research....