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I decided that I wanted more PPLs opinions on this post that I asked from the best Simi bull thread so I copied and pasted it up here for more PPL to see hopefully.
Husker1: Sorry about the statement "proven". I think we need a definition of the word proven. I do not mean this with any disrespect.
Of my short list of bulls mentioned, NLC Upgrade, Fat Butt, and Ebony's Grandmaster, I do not believe they have sired heifers/cows that now have calves at there side. I suppose I have a tendency to sometimes to use the word proven as a bull with one or two calf crops on the ground to analyze. It take three years to four years from when a yearly bull actually has heifers/cows in production, or a bull son in production, to truly call him proven, in the true sense of the word. Thank you.
Still not sure if NLC Upgarde is the one because of all the "Mixed" comments I have heard also. My questions on him are...
1. Does he have enough Milk to make good replacement Mama cows? His EPD's for milk are quite low. Then again so are Meyer 734"s and some people love him.
2. He has a very low EPD for Calving Ease or MCE, what will that do, or what will that mean for my replacement daughters?
SEA your comment about CE & CEM brings up a question for me. How much weight if any do PPL in general & PB breeders put on these values? Do potential bull buying customers look @ and make any hard fast decisions about buying a bull based on these 2 #s in particular? Thanks for any opinions.
Husker1: Sorry about the statement "proven". I think we need a definition of the word proven. I do not mean this with any disrespect.
Of my short list of bulls mentioned, NLC Upgrade, Fat Butt, and Ebony's Grandmaster, I do not believe they have sired heifers/cows that now have calves at there side. I suppose I have a tendency to sometimes to use the word proven as a bull with one or two calf crops on the ground to analyze. It take three years to four years from when a yearly bull actually has heifers/cows in production, or a bull son in production, to truly call him proven, in the true sense of the word. Thank you.
Still not sure if NLC Upgarde is the one because of all the "Mixed" comments I have heard also. My questions on him are...
1. Does he have enough Milk to make good replacement Mama cows? His EPD's for milk are quite low. Then again so are Meyer 734"s and some people love him.
2. He has a very low EPD for Calving Ease or MCE, what will that do, or what will that mean for my replacement daughters?
SEA your comment about CE & CEM brings up a question for me. How much weight if any do PPL in general & PB breeders put on these values? Do potential bull buying customers look @ and make any hard fast decisions about buying a bull based on these 2 #s in particular? Thanks for any opinions.