Touchstone is a OLD angus bull. I beleive he was born in 1991. I know we had a Touchstone son in the mid-90's that was a decent bull for terminal cross. They are stouter and heavier muscled than most angus but not much maternally in my opinion. I know Monopoly's mom is supposedly a Touchstone and if I am not mistaken Leroy Browns dam is too. Maybe the same cow????