i had a few out of Deiter ChiAngus cows. Kept a bull out of an Ace daughter, he is made very well. came really small and is very moderate. Kept a heifer bred the same way. She is very sound and easy keeping, wish she was stouter. decent cattle, big ribbed and smooth, need more bone, but they have adequate thickness. He will not add hair, but they should be maternal in nature and they came with no difficulty.