JRG, I've seen enough to know that he is worth trying some. We had 2 heifers born this spring and were quite frankly disappointed initially, but they both have came on very strong and we will keep both of them. I have seen more this fall and came home from the Labor Day road trip saying that Smooth Sailing needs to be used again. He stamps them consistently good. They maybe pinched in the heartgirth area some, but used on deep widesprung cows and you will like them. He is a TH carrier,as most of you know, so use accordingly. Brent