Hair trait passed on

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Ruebush Show Calves

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Was just wondering is the hair trait pasted on by the cow or bull or which one has more of a impact on it. Looking to buy a clubby bull but he has bad hair and wanting to know if it will effect the calves hair as well.
 

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just breed him to THC cows-- and you'll be fine...  ;)

Seriously though, in humans it's believed that the males get their head of hair from their maternal grand father...  In that reasoning- you should be fine-- I'm not sure if I believe it or not-- but I have seen it hold true almost every time that I know about...

 

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There is a slick hair gene. It is dominant and passed on just like color etc. It is more frequent in breeds that are tropically or heat tolerant adapted.



 

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Well chances are your calves will be bad haired like their father, unless your cows are super shag haired. Your best bet is to AI the cows to clubby bulls for hair if at all possible.
 

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I've never seen any research anywhere that suggested genetics for hair coat in cattle came from one parent or the other. While there are some sex-linked genes in cattle (like scurs, for example) I expect hair coat is more akin to hair color and other examples of simple dominance, meaning some coat types might be dominant over others. If I were breeding show cattle and didn't want the type of hair coat this bull has, I probably wouldn't buy him unless somebody could convince me he wouldn't pass that on to his calves. And I don't think anybody could convince me of that.

I've raised Simmental for years, and our cattle traditionally have NOT had a reputation for good hair. Unless they're crossed with other breeds, a lot of Simmental cattle either had slick hair coats, fine, straight hair that laid flat, or curly/wavy hair that's pretty much completely unmanageable. If you REALLY want this bull for other things he brings to the table genetically, you might do a little research of your own and find out more about hair coat genetics. It shouldn't be that hard to find information if it's actually out there somewhere. Unless the bull is some special pedigree or he's a real steel for the price or there's some reason you really want THIS bull, I would think you could find a bull that offers a lot of the same things AND a hair coat that isn't problematic. Just my thoughts on the subject...for whatever they're worth. 
 

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try the hair club for calves.  Possible Moogain, the bovine version of Rogain.  Down south I think they use NAIR.
 

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I know Eye Candy sired calves are known for amazing hair coat.  I am sure that comes from his Galloway mother but his calves consistently have great hair.
 

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leanbeef said:
I've never seen any research anywhere that suggested genetics for hair coat in cattle came from one parent or the other. While there are some sex-linked genes in cattle (like scurs, for example) I expect hair coat is more akin to hair color and other examples of simple dominance, meaning some coat types might be dominant over others. If I were breeding show cattle and didn't want the type of hair coat this bull has, I probably wouldn't buy him unless somebody could convince me he wouldn't pass that on to his calves. And I don't think anybody could convince me of that.

I've raised Simmental for years, and our cattle traditionally have NOT had a reputation for good hair. Unless they're crossed with other breeds, a lot of Simmental cattle either had slick hair coats, fine, straight hair that laid flat, or curly/wavy hair that's pretty much completely unmanageable. If you REALLY want this bull for other things he brings to the table genetically, you might do a little research of your own and find out more about hair coat genetics. It shouldn't be that hard to find information if it's actually out there somewhere. Unless the bull is some special pedigree or he's a real steel for the price or there's some reason you really want THIS bull, I would think you could find a bull that offers a lot of the same things AND a hair coat that isn't problematic. Just my thoughts on the subject...for whatever they're worth. 


http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2008/080814.htm

http://jas.fass.org/content/81/1/80.abstract

http://dairy.ifas.ufl.edu/dpc/2002/Olson.pdf
 

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iowabeef said:
I know Eye Candy sired calves are known for amazing hair coat.  I am sure that comes from his Galloway mother but his calves consistently have great hair.

Our Eye Candy is a Yak.  I just AI'd a heatwave heifer to a black Galloway for just this reason.  Bone and hair, and a very good attitude.
 

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okiegirl said:
iowabeef said:
I know Eye Candy sired calves are known for amazing hair coat.  I am sure that comes from his Galloway mother but his calves consistently have great hair.

Our Eye Candy is a Yak.  I just AI'd a heatwave heifer to a black Galloway for just this reason.  Bone and hair, and a very good attitude.

glad to see that hair ranked 2nd on your list of priorities, right behind bone...  Hopefully more cattle producers around the country will follow your lead on their selection criteria.
 

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Doubtful she had "cattle producers around the country" in mind when she decided which bull to use. I am adult and I know that "cattle producers around the country" are the LAST thing I have on my mind when making breeding decisions. Why not applaud the kid for actually doing something instead of busting her chops for her preferences?? Oh I forgot. It's because you are you.
 

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OH Breeder said:
leanbeef said:
Thanks for the links...Interesting information. I didn't mean to say that hair coat wasn't an inherited trait...my point was that I don't think hair coat is carried on either the dam's or sire's side of the pedigree. As somebody suggested with people...


I've never seen any research anywhere that suggested genetics for hair coat in cattle came from one parent or the other. While there are some sex-linked genes in cattle (like scurs, for example) I expect hair coat is more akin to hair color and other examples of simple dominance, meaning some coat types might be dominant over others. If I were breeding show cattle and didn't want the type of hair coat this bull has, I probably wouldn't buy him unless somebody could convince me he wouldn't pass that on to his calves. And I don't think anybody could convince me of that.

I've raised Simmental for years, and our cattle traditionally have NOT had a reputation for good hair. Unless they're crossed with other breeds, a lot of Simmental cattle either had slick hair coats, fine, straight hair that laid flat, or curly/wavy hair that's pretty much completely unmanageable. If you REALLY want this bull for other things he brings to the table genetically, you might do a little research of your own and find out more about hair coat genetics. It shouldn't be that hard to find information if it's actually out there somewhere. Unless the bull is some special pedigree or he's a real steel for the price or there's some reason you really want THIS bull, I would think you could find a bull that offers a lot of the same things AND a hair coat that isn't problematic. Just my thoughts on the subject...for whatever they're worth. 


http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2008/080814.htm

http://jas.fass.org/content/81/1/80.abstract

http://dairy.ifas.ufl.edu/dpc/2002/Olson.pdf
 

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okiegirl said:
iowabeef said:
I know Eye Candy sired calves are known for amazing hair coat.  I am sure that comes from his Galloway mother but his calves consistently have great hair.

Our Eye Candy is a Yak.  I just AI'd a heatwave heifer to a black Galloway for just this reason.  Bone and hair, and a very good attitude.

Good for you for having a reasoning for your choice!
 
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