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cornbread said:are they going to clone epic from a photo
Can you explain?
cornbread said:are they going to clone epic from a photo
DLD said:JbarL said:interesting that i recieved a corrospondence from the amaa about a new "venture" for the "commercial" use of maine genitcs with sek genitics...upon calling the young lady (sek)she didnt no anything about the carrier status/or info on the maines, but gladly agreed to send me a cataloge......has anyone recieved it and are they supporting carrier bulls? jbarl
Not sure exactly what you're asking... I believe that all of the bulls featured in the flyer that's been mentioned are tested and clean, and that it says so in the introductory paragraphs. If you're asking if all of the bulls listed in SEK's regular catalog are tested PHA and TH free, no, they are not. Dr. Coover and his staff at SEK have been very instrumental in helping to develop the test, and have provided semen and paid for testing on the potential carriers among the most popular bulls they carry semen on. They were the first semen distributors to clearly state any known PHA and TH status in their catalogs. I'm not sure who you talked to at SEK, but the staff there is very knowledgeable and always helpful. Maybe if you seemed to just be on a general fishing expedition, whoever you talked to might've felt like a copy of their catalog would best answer your questions.
in the past sek has supported the use of phac bulls....now that the amaa and sek are "jointly" promoting a "commercial" ad blitz for the maine breed specificially aimed at cattle producers (commercial), i was hopefully assuming that it could only be phaf bulls that were recommended and promoted for cattle producers (commercial). i personally have been waiting for the registery to have a stand on this genitc issue to help reduce the "under the radar" carriers of pha, and the ultimate train wreck that some have endured.DLD said:JbarL said:interesting that i recieved a corrospondence from the amaa about a new "venture" for the "commercial" use of maine genitcs with sek genitics...upon calling the young lady (sek)she didnt no anything about the carrier status/or info on the maines, but gladly agreed to send me a cataloge......has anyone recieved it and are they supporting carrier bulls? jbarl
Not sure exactly what you're asking... I believe that all of the bulls featured in the flyer that's been mentioned are tested and clean, and that it says so in the introductory paragraphs. If you're asking if all of the bulls listed in SEK's regular catalog are tested PHA and TH free, no, they are not. Dr. Coover and his staff at SEK have been very instrumental in helping to develop the test, and have provided semen and paid for testing on the potential carriers among the most popular bulls they carry semen on. They were the first semen distributors to clearly state any known PHA and TH status in their catalogs. I'm not sure who you talked to at SEK, but the staff there is very knowledgeable and always helpful. Maybe if you seemed to just be on a general fishing expedition, whoever you talked to might've felt like a copy of their catalog would best answer your questions.
CAB said:I take it that you must not be able to clone from semen.
SRU said:CAB said:I take it that you must not be able to clone from semen.
pretty sure that a little tissue is needed
no insult intended...when asked about the joint venture with amaa..she was not aware of any info to give to me...pha was something she was not aware of either. she was quite polite and helpful with scheduling my conversation with dr coover, and gladly agreed to send me a catalog. her voice was nice and her direction was positive and helpful. still awaitin amaa comments as well. thanks jbarlJill said:It has been my experience in dealing with SEK, there are no "nice voices to direct calls" how insulting of you, the staff at SEK are all very knowledgable about this industry, this problem and the bulls they carry. SEK neither supports or does not support, they are a semen distributor, they sell semen that is the business they are in. The bulls they have listed have for the past year in their catalog and on their web site have had the TH and PHA status listed in plain view, the only difference I can see is that they are producing a seperate flyer with the AMAA for commercial promotion.
knabe said:searched the thread on bw and found this
I talked to Cyagra about them cloning from semen and they said that they don't actually use a sperm cell to clone. They recover a skin cell that has been shed from the penis into the ejaculate and clone from that. As afunny aside, they told me the first time they tried it on a angus bull they got a holstein cow. The cell they had recovered was actually from a cow that produced milk that was part of the semen extender.
and this,
I heard a rumor the other day and wondered if anyone else has heard it and if there is any truth in it.
I heard that SEK Genetics, had cloned Meyer 734 (from frozen semen cell), and already have cattle on the ground. Not sure what age.
Any thoughts?
at cyagra's site, there is a listing for simmental, but no animal is there.
nothing substantiated.
My panties aren't in a wad, I have been to SEK and they are a very small operation and the girls in the office are not there to blindly answer the phone, they are knowledgable about their product, and I find it really hard to believe that anyone in that office would tell you that "PHA is something she is not aware of" are you sure you were talking to Dr. Coovers office?DL said:jbar remember Abe Lincoln sometime no matter how hard you try to answer a question or how much information you seek somebody always gets their panties in a wad - be glad they are wearing them and not you (lol) (lol) (lol)
yes it was sek and dr coover was unavaliable at the time...its the same number that the amaa gave to call and ask questions jbarlJill said:My panties aren't in a wad, I have been to SEK and they are a very small operation and the girls in the office are not there to blindly answer the phone, they are knowledgable about their product, and I find it really hard to believe that anyone in that office would tell you that "PHA is something she is not aware of" are you sure you were talking to Dr. Coovers office?DL said:jbar remember Abe Lincoln sometime no matter how hard you try to answer a question or how much information you seek somebody always gets their panties in a wad - be glad they are wearing them and not you (lol) (lol) (lol)
my tone has been missunderstood before :-\ by supporting i meant that they discregard pha as a problem that "they" are interested in. i think sek is a great soucre of semen,and have never had any direct questions for them untill yesterday. they were quite helpful, polite and professionalDLD said:JbarL, I understand that you don't mean any insult - please understand that I don't either, but what I'm trying to say and I think what Jill's trying to say is that you cannot sell SEK short in regards to their knowledge, customer service, or how they handle the PHA/TH issues. Perhaps she (meaning whoever you talked to at SEK) didn't understand what you meant by their "joint venture with the AMAA". It's really just an advertising campaign - maybe shared costs on the flyers that (presumably) went out to both SEK and AMAA's mailing lists, and maybe a few magazine ads.
Also, whether you meant it that way or not, you've asked the question "Do they support carrier bulls?" in what seemed to be an accusatory tone. Whether you like it or not, you have to understand that if they refused to handle any carrier bulls it would cost them a tremendous amount of business, and they probably simply don't feel like they could afford that. They're doing all they can to promote the clean bulls, and probably wouldn't appreciate being asked if they "support carriers".