cattlejunky5
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what are your thoughts on Jakes Proud Jazz?
I realize he has been a high use sire, and I also realize he has well over 1000 daughters registered. These facts make it even scarier for me. Why havent we heard more from the Jazz daughters? Maybe it will come with time as he didnt really hit the scene until 06-07 but it just looks a little fishy to me.OH Breeder said:Jazz has 1254 females registered in the ASA. Lots of Clubby folks used him as a calving ease solution as well. He really wasn't marketed and made public an til 2006-07. He had the top registrations for any Shorthorn bull last year.
How long does it take a female to become proven?- 3-4 years?
cattlejunky5 said:I don't really want this to get talking about the credibility of the bull i just really want to know what your experiences are with him and if you have any pictures of calves.
shortdawg said:He consistently adds style, hair, muscle, and spring of rib. He will downsize larger females. We've had a lot of experience with him and have seen many calves out of him over the last 3-4 years. They look good early and stay that way for the most part. Jungles in SD has him on lease from Glover and they really had somme nice females out of him in their sale. I tried to buy one but not enough shekels i would agree that many probably have females out of him that are not registered, i do have a very nice one here that is doing a great job as a momma cow.
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On the thought of his progeny - I have calves out of JPJ, a son of his I own, as well as the daughter I mentioned above- in the same pasture this year.
OH Breeder said:cattlejunky5 said:I don't really want this to get talking about the credibility of the bull i just really want to know what your experiences are with him and if you have any pictures of calves.
Not questioning his abilities here...I have a line bred son out of him. He has been a dependable calving ease solution for us. The calves have hair and usually are very sale-able even out of average cows.
I will let you know how the calves are in the spring "12 out of a grandson.
I would think that with his availability really being public in 07 those calves would have been born 08 and they bred 09 would have calved 10. So I think he just needs some more time.
cattlejunky5 said:I don't really want this to get talking about the credibility of the bull i just really want to know what your experiences are with him and if you have any pictures of calves.
I agree with A&T but I really don't know whether or not there are enough daughters out there. I've heard from pretty good sources that the bull was being used by Ohlde's for a number of years and they wanted to make sure the daughters were good before trying to promote the bull. I have had reallly good results with JPJ on show heifers. I agree that he is not bulletproof with calving ease or structure but when you compare him to other bulls he is better than most of the popular show genetics. Like A&T said, he is "improving the breed where needed". Moderating frames, easy fleshing, and lower birthweights. I had two first calf heifers this year and they both calved unassisted to an Angus bull. Both milked pretty decent with good looking udders. I would say use him with confidence on heifers but if your breeding show genetics you will still want to watch them closely. Calves can have pretty good bone when born.aandtcattle said:In my opinion JPJ has done a lot of things right as far as improving the breed where needed. He consistently downsizes cattle for mature size which is definitely needed in many shorthorn herds in the u.s. He usually decreases birthweights, not sure if he is bulletproof but very few bulls are. He improves fleshing ability. Probably not enough performance in the bull and structural correctness can be an issue. The biggest thing for me is where are all of the daughters?? For crying out loud, the bull is what 9? 10? We should be seeing a lot more aged daughters than we are. I think there are and will be several sons available that are a lot more complete.