You might call 4T Ranch in Stillwater OK, they have very good Gelvieh and actually bred and raised the National champion balancer bull and champion female at Denver in 2015. They will be showing in Denver again in January 2016. Their Denver Champion bull is throwing very consistent and impressive calves, I believe they are taking 5 to 6 of his heifers to Denver to show. Honest people, which can be hard to find, I would recommend giving them a call. Jeff and Connie Tabor 918-223-6014