Heres who I like- 1: Hidden Treasure-Shorthorn and I dont allways push Shorts, you can see a couple calves in the "painted bulls thread below this one a couple down-When Shorthorn x Char influence works-(which isnt all the time) it works like gangbusters -this bull has the right type of breeding-and alot of Kris Blacks cattle stem from ones bred kinda like him-knee jerk reaction makes him FIRST CHOICE2: Char influence- No-Spin Zone (full sib to Troubador needs no verbage, or Rapid Rewards, Maine Influence- COMFORT ZONE or Excel 80. Without going into a mile long discussion of lienage- ANY FEMALE that is thick -or clubby oriented BUT MATERNAL LIKE HER-SEEMS TO WORK BETTER WITH THICK ALBEIT -USED As CLUBBY MATERNAL BULLS. All the ones I mentioned (of course the list could go on and on) ARE ALSO COWMAKERS. I bet she'll have a better calf that way than strictly terminal. O0