Perth//Stirling Shorthorn show

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Lowther Shorthorns won the Grand Champion bull on a son of their  stock bull ET LS Eagle . He by RB Eagle 255 , dam from Chad Ennis , a daughter (thf , phaf )of Milestone Sabre. The reserve champion from Podehole sired by their Chapelton stock bull, his dam another ET project from me.
http://www.uagroup.co.uk/live-auction
It is a pleasure to see the majority of the offering at this 150th anniversary sale I have had my hand in the genetics.
 

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They sure have different type then the Shorthorns in North America.
 

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The European shows have always fascinated me.  What exactly about that bull makes him a winner?  I've watched Limousin and Charolais shows from Europe and it's clear they value carcass traits in those animals above all else but that bull doesn't strike me as a great carcass type or maternal type.
 

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If I just went by the pictures I had seen from the UK, I probably would never gone over there. It will be 4 years in June since I was over to the Royal Highland show and to be quite honest, the cattle I saw at the show did not turn my crank much. But when I got out into the country and visited some herds, I saw some very good cattle and in a couple of cases, some cattle that I thought were flat out awesome!  I expect this is somewhat the same today. I am sure there are some very good cattle over there.
I think we all have to remember that they have a totally different market over there. Their market demands red meat yield and have little to do with fat cover, but they are starting to want more marbling and that is why the Shorthorn breed is one of the fastest growing breeds in the UK. It is only a few short years ago, the Shorthorn breed was placed on the endangered breed list in the UK. Today it is seeing the fastest breed growth of all breeds. Here are a few pictures of some Shorthorns I took in the UK. I have more if you want to see them.
 

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justintime said:
If I just went by the pictures I had seen from the UK, I probably would never gone over there. It will be 4 years in June since I was over to the Royal Highland show and to be quite honest, the cattle I saw at the show did not turn my crank much. But when I got out into the country and visited some herds, I saw some very good cattle and in a couple of cases, some cattle that I thought were flat out awesome!  I expect this is somewhat the same today. I am sure there are some very good cattle over there.
I think we all have to remember that they have a totally different market over there. Their market demands red meat yield and have little to do with fat cover, but they are starting to want more marbling and that is why the Shorthorn breed is one of the fastest growing breeds in the UK. It is only a few short years ago, the Shorthorn breed was placed on the endangered breed list in the UK. Today it is seeing the fastest breed growth of all breeds. Here are a few pictures of some Shorthorns I took in the UK. I have more if you want to see them.


Agree....was twice (2003 and 2010) on UK and Scotland. Shows and herds.
On shows few animals caught my eye, in general they were placed on mid to late on classes.
On farm some very interest animals, bought semen and embryos from one that got my attention, also kept some others on list to try get some genetics in future, in special a dairy herd that was more double than holsteinizated type dairies saw.
Was interest see on World Congress by international judge on a farm, as guys with grass system production looked for smaller type more meaty and quick fattening and guys from "grain" countries looked for tall big carcass animals.....market is the master! The rest are bláblábla todiscuss on SP.
 

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Here are the bulls that won the pair of bulls that were posted on Facebook from Podehole (Charles and Sally Horrell). Podehole Gladiator and Podehole Ghost, both sons of Chapleton Clansman. I like Clansman's sire Cavans Yankee.
 

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justintime said:
If I just went by the pictures I had seen from the UK, I probably would never gone over there. It will be 4 years in June since I was over to the Royal Highland show and to be quite honest, the cattle I saw at the show did not turn my crank much. But when I got out into the country and visited some herds, I saw some very good cattle and in a couple of cases, some cattle that I thought were flat out awesome!  I expect this is somewhat the same today. I am sure there are some very good cattle over there.
I think we all have to remember that they have a totally different market over there. Their market demands red meat yield and have little to do with fat cover, but they are starting to want more marbling and that is why the Shorthorn breed is one of the fastest growing breeds in the UK. It is only a few short years ago, the Shorthorn breed was placed on the endangered breed list in the UK. Today it is seeing the fastest breed growth of all breeds. Here are a few pictures of some Shorthorns I took in the UK. I have more if you want to see them.

that roan cow on top would work for anyone I would think. On the type of cattle they prefer in their show deal, i can see their point. If red meat is your main goal, then a big, long top, and a thick rump is all you need. Our desired show type over in N.A. has a lot of waste ( guts, fat, and hair). Im certainly a fan of the soggy middled, plump show type we have over here but i can see their merit.  (thumbsup)
 

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Gargan said:
justintime said:
If I just went by the pictures I had seen from the UK, I probably would never gone over there. It will be 4 years in June since I was over to the Royal Highland show and to be quite honest, the cattle I saw at the show did not turn my crank much. But when I got out into the country and visited some herds, I saw some very good cattle and in a couple of cases, some cattle that I thought were flat out awesome!  I expect this is somewhat the same today. I am sure there are some very good cattle over there.
I think we all have to remember that they have a totally different market over there. Their market demands red meat yield and have little to do with fat cover, but they are starting to want more marbling and that is why the Shorthorn breed is one of the fastest growing breeds in the UK. It is only a few short years ago, the Shorthorn breed was placed on the endangered breed list in the UK. Today it is seeing the fastest breed growth of all breeds. Here are a few pictures of some Shorthorns I took in the UK. I have more if you want to see them.

that roan cow on top would work for anyone I would think. On the type of cattle they prefer in their show deal, i can see their point. If red meat is your main goal, then a big, long top, and a thick rump is all you need. Our desired show type over in N.A. has a lot of waste ( guts, fat, and hair). Im certainly a fan of the soggy middled, plump show type we have over here but i can see their merit.  (thumbsup)


The closest thing I saw in Scotland to North American cattle were the Angus, and that is probably due to most of the ones I saw were 1 or 2 generations of Canadian and Schaff breeding. I saw a beautiful set of Angus cows and when we looked at their pedigrees, they were mostly Canadian breeding for at least 2 generations. 
If you think they are selecting rather extreme looking Shorthorns, you probably would really be shocked at the Limousin, Simmental and Charolais they are selecting over there. To me they look like cow killers, but they seem to like big calves.
A few years ago, I was selling a set of embryos to a Scottish breeder and he mentioned that he was using virgin heifers as recips. I told him that some of the embryos he had selected may have a little BW for heifers and he laughed and  said " That is why I have a farm manager".
 

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" That is why I have a farm manager".

That's funny right there.

As for the limo and Char being extreme, I would agree but that was my point.  They are more obviously being selected for their carcass merit.  The winners are typically extremely long, shallow and heavily muscled.  The bull pictured above doesn't really have that "look" to me.  Either way a very interesting contrast to our shows and market forces.  Thanks for the insight guys.
 

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Here are the sale averages and a link to the sale reports.

62 Limousin bulls sold to average £4,625      High Seller 10,500 =$15220 US  = $19141 Canadian (the Canadian $ is dropping)
109    Angus bulls sold to average £5,260      High Seller 13,000 =$19788 US  = $24881 Canadian
56 Shorthorn bulls sold to average £5,066      High Seller 13,000 =$19788 US  = $24881 Canadian

http://www.fwi.co.uk/blogs/livestock-and-sales-blog/
 
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