i like the ones i had this past spring. He didn't throw the hair I expected, but i thought he would add hair, he only maintained it for me. What i like about his calves is that they are nice necked (not freaky), have tons of rib and center body, big bone and are made very well. Square, smooth, deep stout. I didnt' use him this year, but will go back to him in the future on hairier cows, due to the progress the calves have made through the fall.