We used a little last year. Have an awesome heifer out of him and a grizz x ice pick cow and sold a nice show steer out of him and a friction x jfk cow. I also bred a plain cow to him and had a heifer that almost got to stay. Really surprised at the quality, especially since i do not hear about much being out of him. I am going to flush the grizz cow back that way. hope this helps.