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Horn had Champion Hereford, any other results?  Congrates Jag!

jsscattle said:

Horn had Champion Hereford, any other results?  Congrates Jag!

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Wow he looks good in the pictures. as good as any other breed champs. Hows he bred? Where'd he come from?

Is there any place to watch the steer show online? It get done tonight right?

No live broadcast.

Tiemann won the americans. Bailey carwile won the shortys and Devon shackelford got reserve polled Hereford. And adri jolly had champ middle weight exotic (those are the ones I remember) I'm on my way home but got some good pics of the polled, shorty, and American shows that I will post up later. We personally classed out of the American show. They classed them tough this year

Showstopper how did that champ american look?

balck and white. May have been a quarterblood but looked like a simmi to me. Extremely sound and correctly finished and a pratical type of calf. Could have been deeper with more flank but he was a good one none the less. IMO the reserve was far better standing still. He was an orangeish char x with treetrunks and amazing hair huge butt and the cool show package until he was in motion and the champion was clearly better in that aspect. I really liked jensons style all though he left some beasts standing on the rail. He wanted soundness first and if you couldn't walk you shoulnt have shown up and I liked that. So all in all the American show was tight and depended on personal preference in my mind

For the life of me, I still don't understand the obsession with movement in TERMINAL steer shows...

Jeff_Schroeder said:

For the life of me, I still don't understand the obsession with movement in TERMINAL steer shows...

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Agreed. (clapping) So long as the calf is sound enough to hold the weight they are carring does it matter about fluid motion. In the end all they have to do is walk to the knocking box

Well as a judge you would not want to represent cripple cattle in your selections because that is not a positive trait in the cattle world and production world. Also these steer shows are as much a business as they are anything else. Everybody wants a calf that's like the grand at a show. Say that steer is a monopoly out of Cow a. Everybody that's involved is going to want pregnancies out of monopoly and Cow a. Ok out of those pregnancies 50% of the calves will be females 20% will stay as bulls and only 30% will stay steers. That's putting alot of unsound bulls and mama cows out there to use that will never make it to 10 years old. And that is why soundnes is important in my mind. Jensons desicions today will have a ripple effect on cows steers and bulls everywhere. If he goes sound then he is helping the cattle world. If he goes with Cripple then that is detrimental to the real cattle world

With that many great ones in one show, I certainly think you MUST evaluate soundness and structure.  It's what sets apart a real good one from a great one in my opinion.

Are they judging a steer show or trying to change the world?

They are trying to emphisise positive traits in beef cattle. That's why cattle shows were created.

Correct, and in a heifer or bull show, ease of movement should be stressed highly because that is important for their future breeding success.

In a TERMINAL steer show, ease of movement only matters so far as the steer is able to walk into the slaughter house.  

It would be much easier for a judge the rationally justify a heavy preference for black hided cattle than movement in cattle that are supposedly done feeding.

Show stopper 95 said:

They are trying to emphisise positive traits in beef cattle. That's why cattle shows were created.

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<beer> Thats exactly right. Especially at a major show. Soundness is important in all facets of the industry. seriously nothing turns my stomach more than one that can't walk winning a major midwestern state fair or fall show.  
Beau

I see your point that when splitting hairs you have to take all things into account but if I look at this quote of yours

Show stopper 95 said:

If he goes sound then he is helping the cattle world. If he goes with Cripple then that is detrimental to the real cattle world

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If he picked the reserve he may well of picked the best carcase and that would of also helped the real cattle world. This is based on the comments that have been made about certain cattle I was not there.
Just putting a different point of view out there.

I see what you are saying but that reserve wasn't that bad moving he was just worst than the grand. He wasn't cripple by any means. Didn't even pop pasterns. Just didn't look as smooth or cover his tracks quite as well. Thanks Beau for understanding where I'm coming from with this.

For the record, I'm not going after you, just the trend of stressing movement so heavily in the terminal steer ring.

It's like the entire idea of a terminal cross has vanished when it's still quite important even in the "real world".

I understand and just personally I like to see sound functional cattle over a stove up clubby anyday. And for this perticular show so did the judge. There's some who don't care and when you are judging a show it's all up to your descretion as the judge to pick what you want. Another huge thing in the cattle world is different strokes for different folks and that's all this discussion is about. I think that variance between judge a wanting sound and judge b wanting thick. Keeps the fine line in there with functional cattle and clubby cattle and that's what keeps the industry from becoming too extreme on one or another IMO

Grand and Reserve where from class 10 crazy thing is they were both smokies. Grand was very good. Not sure who had it but someone I'm sure will no on here.