I-80 calf pictures, please.

Quick fire said:

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Aint many Angus calves gonna show against an i-80 O0

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If you get the i80 x clubby cow out....

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Agreed!!  If there hvy bw and/or clubby and heifers be scared of going anything but angus the first time....rolling the dice!

this whole thing is about rolling the dice

Carlson Cattle said:

this whole thing is about rolling the dice

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To an extent. But why roll the dice into deeper and deeper odds? Why risk all the trouble? When dealing with clubbys you still CAN use proven and consistent genetics. I've been there and done that. All the crap te clubby world can throw at you and all the good it can have too. I promise you that first clubby heifer you breed to a "calving ease" clubby bull to add "power" or whatever and she can't pass the calf, or she can't milk you will reasses your heifer breeding habits. Nobody likes bottle feeding a calf or cutting one out. Granted, it does happen, and people find success in some of these bulls, I have myself. But to make the same mistake twice is only halting your herd growth and isn't worth the trouble in the long run. So instead of rolling the dice on every situation, use some reason in decision making. Lord knows the clubby world needs it, I try at least.

when you end up having that good one you say it was worth rolling the dice  O0

Then you obviously have not had a disaster yet.

Carlson Cattle said:

when you end up having that good one you say it was worth rolling the dice  O0

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Let us know when you lose a heifer and her calf sometime not pretty.....  sometimes the dice come up snake eyes.... sometimes 6's.

no i havent had a disater yet. but you just caint go angus all the time on heifers

Oh yes you definetly can!

and win the county fair...... NO

Patience, Carlson, patience.  Heifers are for developing into cows.  Cows are for hitting home runs.  Take care of your heifers so they have a chance as cows.  Go buy some good cows if you can't wait for your heifers to develop.

Carlson Cattle said:

and win the county fair...... NO

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It can and HAS been done

I have heard disasters out of i-80 a few times. Got a friend who bred 30 heifers to jesse james biggest calf was 74 pounds (he weighs then all with a hanging scale). A lot of people swear by angus for calving ease. All my neighbors have angus cows and they will tell you the same thing i am going to tell you. I breed all my heifers to Ali until i bought a bull 2 years ago from Bill Elliott. He was an Ali son. Biggest calf i had last year was 75 pounds with a brick tied to it i mean they were small, and out of clubby heifers and some simmy heifers. The biggest problem clubby heifers have along with calving ease clubby bred bulls are their owners!! Why I say that is, i know a hand full of people in the midwest who turn their cows out on some corn or poor the grain to them to they calve to keep them looking good. Well whenever you keep your cows hog fat or keep graining them year around, HELLO  your going to have a huge calf out of a texas longhorn bull! We grain our heifers up until Late may early june. We get them to 1100 pounds breed them, turn them out on pasture and make them cows!!!! Quit showing your heifers until august september and october and i bet your calving problems are cut 75%. All my heifers usually milk too compared to the old heifers i used to take to my state fair in august. A Vet i clip for feed her heifer hard to august for their fair, had her bred to Northern Improvement (heifer was a paddy x meyer) and the rip had a 110 pound bull calf out of northern improvement (one of the most proven angus calving ease sires ever). When I used to breed clubby heifers angus, if i got a steer he was usually freezer beef and if i got a heifer thats all she was was a heifer. once in a while I would get a good heifer. But an angus bull x clubby cow usually cant win a lot because they show in the crossbreds against power houses (once in awhile you strike it rich). By breeding my heifers to Ali and  now my bull from elliott, the cheapest i sold a calf for last year out of the herd bull was $1250 and they went up to $1750 out of heifers. When i would breed them to angus, i was getting $600-$800. This is truly what i have experienced. And all my Ali's are coming the size of angus calves with more style hair and thicker. I think Jesse James does this also. My point in all this is, with the proper management, not graining your cows year around, and just feeding them grass hay in the winter and stop graining them mid-summer, if you breed to Ali, Jesse James, or even I-80, I have experience showing you will get a calf about the same birthweight and the calf will be worth ATLEAST $500 more. and I have yet to pull a calf out of a heifer since I stopped feeding them in June 5 years ago. It all boils down to mangement. JMHO and Experience

Quick fire said:

Carlson Cattle said:

and win the county fair...... NO

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It can and HAS been done

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More than a few times!

when you walk into a club calf pen looking to buy something to win the fair are you going to buy a purbred angus or you going to buy a I80 calf?

Carlson Cattle said:

when you walk into a club calf pen looking to buy something to win the fair are you going to buy a purbred angus or you going to buy a I80 calf?

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I think they meant a PB Angus bull on heifers (mostly clubby), therefore 1/2 angus (Just like Monopoly, maybe the greatest bull of all time, is 1/2 Angus).

Carlson Cattle said:

when you walk into a club calf pen looking to buy something to win the fair are you going to buy a purbred angus or you going to buy a I80 calf?

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Whatever is better....

Carlson Cattle said:

when you walk into a club calf pen looking to buy something to win the fair are you going to buy a purbred angus or you going to buy a I80 calf?

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I always try to buy the best calf, not by which sire.

I also think

Muddy Creek Show Cattle said:

Carlson Cattle said:

when you walk into a club calf pen looking to buy something to win the fair are you going to buy a purbred angus or you going to buy a I80 calf?

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I think they meant a PB Angus bull on heifers (mostly clubby), therefore 1/2 angus (Just like Monopoly, maybe the greatest bull of all time, is 1/2 Angus).

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the sire will tell you the future most of the time though

So will the build of the calf.

99 times out of 100 when a calf sired by an Angus bull is in a pen with clubbies you will not pick the angus sired calf. and monopoly is out of an angus cow, not an angus sire.