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cowz

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NHR said:
I don't question his childhood or young adult life. I question his ideas for "change" and his relationships that he keeps. I for one don't believe the government can run health care. The government cannot run anything efficiently. Every major entitlement program that the government has is a major fiasco. I don't like either of the 2 democrat candidates because I believe both of them will try and lead us into socialism which i don't want. McCain is not that far behind in the race to socialism but he is lesser of the 3 evils so will probably get my vote.

Great comment.  I speak from experience that our government cannot efficiently and effectively manage Medicare and Medicaid from the healthcare side, let alone the patient's view!!!  National health care will never work.  The republican protection of the pharmaceutical industry and the abusive insurance industry both need to be modified.
 

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I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be glad a Clinton won but I was tickled to death that Hillary won PA yesterday!!!!   

Obama scares me, Hillary just annoys me.  I probably won't vote for either but we'll see who McCain picks for his VP running mate.
 

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The republican protection of the pharmaceutical industry and the abusive insurance industry both need to be modified.

some of the requirements for the pharmaceutical industry are interesting.  there is a new certification process out here that one takes classes that basically allow people to handle samples and process paperwork associated with pharmaceutical trials.  pays about 50-70K once you get certified.  it's kinda like a glorified water sample tester, except you get paid a lot more.  water tester jobs pay about 15-20/hour out here.  pharma needs a battery of statisticians each making over 100k to process all the data and they still can't get enough trial sizes to encapsulate all the genetic diversity, let alone the ingredient list and manufacturer sourcing, china again.  then add in the lawsuits, the phony ones, ie john edwards, and you have to factor in a team of lawyers.  add in people cross breeding (sorry for that term), and you lose the genetic homogeneity of different groups of people making it even harder to identify people who willl have a reaction.  i'm interviewing right now with a company that does screening for atherosclerosis with several hundred markers of which none have probably been validated, but show up discreetly in populations with and without atherosclerosis.  hopefully, it will identify which people may respond to which drugs based on previous experience of a database of people gone before.  however it suffers from the typical discovery group bias so typical of almost all research and there will be failures, enter lawyers, enter caps on liability etc.  now add in monitoring of reaction to new drugs and drug classes and you have a whole new job category.  this is why is sometimes laugh that america is turning it's entire economy into an assisted living center based on a subscription model of health care, as other subscription business models are optional, ie cable television, and are subject to consolidation of resources and viewpoints and you get global warming on oprah tieins with no alternative perspective because it has become a religion at this point, the same logic system that is cited to discount chrisitanity, islam, bhuddism and other "faith" based systems.

when i see backtracking from this incrementalism, i'll be impressed.
 

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I liked what McCain said about pork barrel projects.  Hillary got around 290 million in pork for New York state, Obama got around 80 million in fluffy projects for his state.  John McCain has zero, zilch in pork barrel projects ever for his home state of Arizona......and managed to be re-elected.  I think McCain just wants to serve his country......I am not sure what the other 2 need to accomplish.
 

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The reasons why government can't run health care worth a hoot is why the framers of the constitution created a government that was to allow for a capitalistic (private sector) system to do those things government can't. Anything which hinders that system, in any form (protectionism or socialism), moves away from the constitutional intent the founders had.
 

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NHR said:
I don't question his childhood or young adult life. I question his ideas for "change" and his relationships that he keeps. I for one don't believe the government can run health care. The government cannot run anything efficiently. Every major entitlement program that the government has is a major fiasco. I don't like either of the 2 democrat candidates because I believe both of them will try and lead us into socialism which i don't want. McCain is not that far behind in the race to socialism but he is lesser of the 3 evils so will probably get my vote.

My biggest complaint about Obama is that he keeps preaching "change" but offers no concrete plans to tell us what "change" he is seeking nor how he might propose to accomplish.  I'm a Republican and probably won't vote for either of the Democrats.  But, at least Hillary puts her positions out there and a person knows who she is and what she stands for.  Obama says nothing, really, concrete.  Just "rile 'em up" rhetoric with no substance.  Both he and his wife scare the hell out of me!
 

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u are exactly right, i listened to parts of several of the debates, but one night listened to one beginning to end, it seemed like all it was was obama attacking hillary's plan and they woud get into the nuts and bolts of her plan, then also critesize her past voting record and so on, but never got in depth on himself and what the details of his programs are.  at the end the media tryed to say he beat her up, and won the debate, i don't get it.            on the statement he made about midwest people clinging to their religion and guns because they are bitter at the government i believe is a clue to who he is underneath...  very racist that does not care nothing for midwest rural people, would just as soon look down his nose at them.
 

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farwest said:
u are exactly right, i listened to parts of several of the debates, but one night listened to one beginning to end, it seemed like all it was was obama attacking hillary's plan and they woud get into the nuts and bolts of her plan, then also critesize her past voting record and so on, but never got in depth on himself and what the details of his programs are.  at the end the media tryed to say he beat her up, and won the debate, i don't get it.            on the statement he made about midwest people clinging to their religion and guns because they are bitter at the government i believe is a clue to who he is underneath...  very racist that does not care nothing for midwest rural people, would just as soon look down his nose at them.

Right!  I have both - religion and guns and I'm keeping 'em both!
 

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  Had this sent to me today!


Subject : Words from Lee
Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from it's death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, and here are some excerpts :

Lee Iacocca Says :

'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening?  Where the hell is our outrage?  We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build  a hybrid car.  But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course'.

Stay the course?  You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned 'Titanic'.  I'll give you a sound bite : 'Throw all the bums out!'  You might think I'm getting senile that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have.  But someone has to speak up.  I hardly recognize this country anymore.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs.  While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do.  And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions.  That's not the promise of the  America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for.  I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further.  You can't call yourself a patriot if you're the Biggest 'C' is Crisis!  (Iacocca elaborates on nine Cs of leadership, crisis being the first.)  Leaders are made, not born.  Leadership is forged in times of crisis.  It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory.  Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a
battlefield yourself.  It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history.  We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes.  A Hell of a Mess - so here's where we stand :
We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving.
We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country.
We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.
Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.
Our schools are in trouble.
Our borders are like sieves.
The middle class is being squeezed every which way.

These are times that cry out for leadership.  But when you look around, you've got to ask : 'Where have all the leaders gone?  Where are the curious, creative communicators?  Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence and common sense?  I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.  Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?  We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.  Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm.  Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again.  Now, that's just crazy.  Storms happen.  Deal with it.  Make a plan.  Figure out what you're going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing.  Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies?  How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it?  Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem.  The silence is deafening.  But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.
Have news for the gang in Congress.  We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity.  What is everybody so afraid of; that some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name?  Give me a break.  Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?  Had Enough?

Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here.  I'm trying to light a fire.  I'm speaking out because I have hope.  I believe in America .  In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments.  I've also experienced some of our worst crises : the 'Great Depression', 'World War II', the 'Korean War', the 'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War', the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11.

If I've learned one thing, it's this :
'You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action.  Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to 'Action' for  people who, like me, believe in America .  It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close.  So let's shake off the crap and go to work.  Let's tell 'em all we've had 'enough.'

Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about.  It's our country, folks; and it's our future. Our future is at stake!'
 

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Great post and very true.  I think part of the problem with the leadership today is that they didn't experience some of our worst crises : the 'Great Depression', 'World War II', the 'Korean War', the 'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War', the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years, the current choices grew up for the most part in the ME generation with all of the intitlement programs, where instant gratification became the norm and if you think that this one is bad, just wait till we get the next generation of kids as leaders, the no child left behinders where no one fails and every one is equal.
 

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I have lurked here since the start of the site and finally decided to register just to get a reply in on this post.

I'm not excited about this election b/c we have a bunch of problems looming here in the U.S. and it's my opinion that all we have to choose from with the three remaining hopefuls is the lesser of the evils. I guess maybe that makes it even more important that we make a good informed choice.

I'm not going to try and influence anyone to take my point of view on any of the candidates. Matter of fact, I don't even know which one I support. I just want everyone to realize that at least half of what you get Fwd to you in email is probably a bunch of b.s., no matter what the subject may be, but maybe an even higher pecentage is when it is election related. Most all of us here on internet message boards also spend a little time emailing and it has been a concern of mine throughout this election process that people are just blindly forwarding around email propaganda that could have an impact on the most important Presidential election in years.

Check out snopes.com. Here is the current top 25 list:
http://www.snopes.com/info/top25uls.asp

Here is what you get when you put Barack Obama in their search box:
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Barack+Obama&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0

The top 25 list has references to the Obama National Anthem email and his wife's Princeton Thesis as well as the Lee Iaococa (sp?) email. The other link has the missionary email and much more. Check it out. There is just as much to be found on Hillary as well.

Anyone seen the thread on ClubCalves board titled "Indiana It's Your Turn"? There was a great response on there about writing in Brad Hook for President. There's a campaign I might get behind, but imagine the skeletons in the closet. I remember (kind of) one night at the Beef Expo...
 

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here's change you can grab your wallet tighter over

this is the best "putting the cart before the ox" scenario i've seen in a while.  will anyone be fired over this?  and wha'ts wrong with expanding the metro?  gotta have diversity i guess.


http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0408/514055.html

Three streetcars purchased by the District of Columbia for about $10 million are being held in the Czech Republic until the city builds tracks for the cars.

D.C. Department of Transportation (web|news) Director Emeka Moneme say that although the streetcars were purchased three years ago, there is no timetable for when a rail line will be built.

Moneme says he would like to have the streetcars in D.C. this summer. Plans call for the cars to run from Bolling Air Force Base in southeast Washington to the Anacostia Metro Station.

The streetcars are being maintained by Skoda-Inekon, a company that manufactures streetcars in the Czech Republic.

check that last sentence.  THEY ARE BEING MAINTAINED!  AT WHOSE COST?
 

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Jill said:
Great post and very true.  I think part of the problem with the leadership today is that they didn't experience some of our worst crises : the 'Great Depression', 'World War II', the 'Korean War', the 'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War', the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years, the current choices grew up for the most part in the ME generation with all of the intitlement programs, where instant gratification became the norm and if you think that this one is bad, just wait till we get the next generation of kids as leaders, the no child left behinders where no one fails and every one is equal.

tens of thousands of 20 yr old americans marching on the capital.......1968 democratic national convention protests in chiago....20 year old college students killed on a state college campus in kent ohio...by national guard troops......politically...."the good ole days"....we are the same generation that actually protested like that....we see it now on tv ...rioting/tear gas /marchs....as its happening in places like  ireland/  chile..... and we quickly forget that was us... 40 years ago...just no cnn/fox/msnbc news jockeys to feed us 18 hours a day ....the brazilians are protesting in the streets now over the price of fuel.... i believe that the " dept of homeland security"  is simply the new  " kent state police", more built/ and intended  to handle......shall we say..."inner strife"  than any immediate treat outside .... i believe these folks are a bit more afraid us and our rights to "protect ourselves from a tearounous governement" ,  than a lot of us believe......anybody wanna tryin' em?.....anyone "afraid" of tryin' em? ....i think that the sooner folks start tryin' em.....the sooner we will figure out how afraid  we "have" to be of them.......and show our kids and the generations to come what happens in a democracy every now and then, to keep it that way.............then we can elect someone to be president....  ... in or out?      jbarl
 

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anyone ever try the ballot box in local elections with candidates unaffiliated with republicans and democrats?  anyone run for office unaffiliated?  only way things are going to "change"
 

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In Colorado, the DNC this summer is not something I am looking forward to.  There is a group called "Recreate '68" that is threatening to pull off some form of "social unrest" in Denver this summer.  (there were riots at the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago)  I plan to steer clear.  :mad:
 

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is re-creation change?  sounds like more anti-ism.  what are they for?  it's so easy to be against.  now that they are in charge, ie the democratic congress, they care more about social engineering and subsidies (repubs too) than capitalism.  it's so clear they want better more nuanced socialism and have no idea how to make a payroll because they have your tax dollar which is infiinite in their mind.
 

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You know I've always felt that a 3rd unaffiliated candidate is a wasted vote, but I think this year if you could get a qualified candidate to run I would vote for them.
 

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there is no such thing as a wasted vote.  if that were the case, there would only be one breed of cattle if we had "true" democracy.  unaffiliated candidates need to be encouraged somehow.

i once voted for lyndon larouche while he was in jail.

i study the candidates that are unaffiliated extemely closely, and if they aren't commie greenies, i usually vote for them.  they look at their tallies and try to get involved in other ways.  it's amazing how many people are involved sometimes, and how amazing republicans and democrats try to stop anyone from getting involved.  a shame.  real change now, get your country back.  nowhere in the constitution does it state we need republicans or democrats.  it's not a given.  do your part, turn them out on a cart.
 
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