The reason I didn't want any ohlde bred stuff was because they were too small. So if ohlde genetics are too small, lowlines are tiny. IMO the lowlines are a novelty breed and nobody would buy them around here. I don't think anyone would know what they are. Same way with tarentaise. Jakes pround Jazz? Isn't he a shorthorn bull? Why would I use that? I'm not trying to be arrongant but I live in IL, and IL is different world than out west.
Sorry that I misunderstood, but all you said was low birth weight with carcass traits, no Ohlde or double bred stuff, but you never said that you only wanted large frame. However, you are correct, if Ohlde bulls are too small for you, then Lowline bulls would be to small too. Please read my post on page 2 for another recommendation, now that I have been enlightened with that new information.
Now, if you will carefully go back and re-read my post you will see that I was advocating using a fullblood bull on your Simmy's, thus 100% Angus. The Lowline X Tarentaise cross that was mentioned & pictured, was only supposed to be for the purposes of serving as an example of what a yearling, crossbred Lowline bull would look like. In other words, something similar to what you could expect your Lowline X Simmy crosses to look like.
And if you will carefully re-read the other post where I mentioned Jakes Proud Jazz, you will clearly see that not only was I responding to someone elses post, I also "QUOTED" the post that I was replying to for clarification. And, yes, JPJ is a shorthorn bull.
I am not trying to be arrogant either, but I only live 6 miles from IL!
And I am not having any problems marketing to commercial buyers in this area at all! Matter of fact, I need more bulls to sell to several commercial guys in southern Indiana & central ky (not exactly "out west")!
Within the last year...
A commercial herd in Eldorado, IL, used a 3/4 Lowline X 1/4 Angus bull that they got from me on all of their heifers & younger cows (not sure exactly how many, but over 20).
A guy who lives near Princeton, IL (north of Peoria) bought 5 Lowline X Tarentaise bulls & a purebred Lowline bull from me.
I sold three bred 1/2 Lowline X 1/2 Tarentaise heifers to guy in Murphysboro, IL & he wants to buy a bull, heifers & steers in the near future.
A different guy who lives between Carbondale, IL & Murphysboro, IL bought two 3/4 Lowline bulls to breed to his entire herd (cows & heifers).
Olson Family Shorthorns, has a 1/2 Lowline heifer & he lives in Hoopeston, IL.
And that is only counting what business that I've done with people in the state of IL, in the last 365 days!! BTW, none of those people are members of the Lowline Registry, at least not yet!
So, yes, people in IL will buy them & I bet that you would be suprised at just how many are buying them in IL and all the surrounding states like IN and MI and Iowa and WI and MO and KY! Also...
There are 6 Lowline breeders in IL & a few Lowline breeders near the IL border who live in Iowa, Missouri & Wisconsin, so no telling how many other IL commercial people are buying/using Lowlines.
Keith Waterman is the Eastern Lowline Angus Vice President. He & his partners have a decent sized herd of Lowline crossbreds in Springfield, IL.
Cindy Jackson lives within 30 miles of IL (between Crawfordsville & Lafayette, IN) & she is completely sold out.
Also, Dori, who posts on this board & who owns a real nice Lowline bull, lives in Michigan (which isn't exactly out west either & it's not too awful far from IL).
The "novelty breed" & "nobody around here will buy them", comments just don't hold water. Why not just say, "Wont fit my program, so I'm not interested." instead of going to the trouble to make derogatory comments? I can understand your skepticism, but I was trying to sincerely be helpful.
Also, you are right, IL is a different world than out west, but I don't live out west, nor do I sell the majority of my genetics out west.