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aj

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There was a pasture of cattle seized nearby here by the sheriff. The cattle were starving. There had been several complaints. I actually rolled out a couple of round bales for them once this summer. I hadn't been by there for three weeks or so but I guess the county sheriff seized the cattle and they will be sent to a feedlot to fatten up and be sold when they are strong enough to load in a semi. There were 4 or 5 that died and the local vet came out and body conditioned them. I'm not sure sure if it is a state case or county case or what. The undersheriff said they couldn't seize them earlier because of a clause that said it was the guys lively hood. We don't get along with the perp and he actually lives 60 miles away. Anyway ron is to feed them back into shape in order to get their strength back. I don't understand how the perp thinks. You can't starve a profit out of a cow. I and others have given statements for the case and I and ron will be reimbursed for the feed. All I can say is that you really have to be a deadbeat to do something like this. Anyone else see something like this. There has to be a mental illness or a name for this kind of behavior. They are mad at the law cause its no big deal. I do not understand it.
 

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I had to take in 4 Charolais heifers this summer.  When I got them they were all about a year old, and the heaviest one weighed about 485-500 lbs max. 
 

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The way I understand it this guy won't be able to own cattle for 5 years but I don't know if they will be prosecuted or not. The county attourney is in charge. I have seen 10 year old cows with maybe a body condition score of 3 or 4 that breed back and raise a calf and are relatively healthy with a good health program but this deal is insane. I'm not real familar with the body score deal. I would call my cows 5 or 6. I heard doc rated all of these as 1's but 3 head.
 

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There seems to be several cases every year of seized livestock and it seems to be most prevelent in years with high priced feed and severe winters. I remember a case two or three years ago where a well known family doctor has his entire cattle herd seized. There were many dead, and many more in very poor condition. It was a case where he was trying to locate some feed, and not being very successful in finding enough. By the time he realized how bad condition they were in, they were close to worthless to sell on the market, so he tried to get them through to spring. It didn't work and eventually he was reported. His medical practice was quite a few miles away and he had a farm manager looking after the cattle. There seems to be several cases with horses each year as well.
 

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We have a neighbor who walks the fine line of animal abuse by not feeding enough.  The problem is they keep trying to get in with my cows because they always have a bale and silage fed until about 2 months before calving, then they just get hay.  It makes you feel horrible running cattle out of your pasture when they are just trying to survive!  I talked to the local vet and he told me that he drives by once a week to evaluate the body condition.  He said as soon as they drop below the line he will report them.  I just don't understand how somebody can treat animals that way and still sleep at night.  Heck, I am always telling my wife to quit feeding the cows so much because they have a little too much condition!  She tells me that the only way she can feed her favorite one is to feed them all.  ???
 

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Yea, that is terrible.  If you can't afford to feed them, you need to cut your losses and sell them.
 

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It's hard to believe someone could do this.    And to think these people are out walking among us.
 

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AJ, Ron and you are close by each other down there, Ron is a good friend and customer here -- you guys make sure to try and do all you can -- if it gets to the point where it is hurting you -- I'll kick in a hundred bucks to help you out -- seriously -- let me know -- !!

We didn't have a great year, but better than last. If any one in the country EVER sees a cow of mine - or one in my care -- who is even close to being thin, I am dead or dying. Take that to heart -- as I Mean it just like it sounds. My cows are in body score 6 by the start of 3rd trimester -- and they stay there until calving -- we do not and never will have one under a 5 - period!

I may even know that same fella -- seems to me there was a guy down by Goodland reported several years ago -- can't remember the specifics -- but couldn't have too far from you there.

If Ron is the guy I am thinking of,. he's big enough to kick the crap out of him just for the hell of it! Shirley would probably hold him while he does it too !! hehehe

Keep me posted, I hate to hear these things. Most likely it is not a case of can't afford, most likely one of not caring. That is by far the worst one of the two. How many are we talking about AJ???

Know the SP gang on here -- I could forgo a Christmas gift, or even all of them , to save a few cows. How bout every one else?? I'll give a hundred, not to the guy who is doing this -- he doesn't deserve it -- but for the cows -- they do! Yeah -- call me a softy but this is what WE all do right??

Let's get on this AJ -- I'll be first to help you out -- let me know!

Terry
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The guy farms the same way. It's lazyness and some kind of mindset. The revenue from the sale will have everybody covered. Probably 70 head and its the same guy cowboy. Not trying to be a downer here but these things happen I guess.
 

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I have yet to see an animal neglect case where it is a case of "financial hardship".....it is ALL about laziness and lack of compassion. I will starve myself before my animals go hungry. And if it comes to the point, I care enough about my animals I will GIVE them away to see that they are cared for properly.  It is all about someone (I don't care if it is a dr, lawyer, or judge) not caring enough to put the animals first. And this has nothing to do with animal RIGHTS. Its about being compassionate toward another living being and putting that living being ahead of yourself, which is something (apparently) some people have a problem doing. These people should be reported and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and NEVER be allowed to own animals again.
 

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  I do not condone having livestock around if you can't or won't feed them, but why does everyone jump up and want to throw the first stone? I don't understand how some can judge without knowing the PPL or the circumstances. I get sooo tired of it.
 

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CAB said:
  I do not condone having livestock around if you can't or won't feed them, but why does everyone jump up and want to throw the first stone? I don't understand how some can judge without knowing the PPL or the circumstances. I get sooo tired of it.

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nothing a little free market isn't taking care of already.  the speed at which this happens may be the problem.

anyone who claims america's system doesn't inherently discourage this is mistaken.

stones are like regulation.  we seem eager to throw them.
 

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CAB said:
  I do not condone having livestock around if you can't or won't feed them, but why does everyone jump up and want to throw the first stone? I don't understand how some can judge without knowing the PPL or the circumstances. I get sooo tired of it.

IMHO, I do not need to know the PPL involved. They are starving their livestock. What else did I miss? Unless they had no phone, no transportation, no contact with others, and were deaf AND blind,  I fail to see the "grey area' on this one. But then again, I am not one to see "grey areas" as much as others.
 

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I have had cows get thin everybody does but there is always grass or hay available and usually a few lbs of grain a day I usually get the thin one back up to shape and cull them because they are hard keepers or something else is wrong I do have one cow that gets thin with a calf one her but weans a huge calf 100+lbs heavier than anything else and she get right back in shape about a month or 2 after weaning no animal shoud be starved period I do not think I have good enough fence to starve my cows the would be eating the road ditches first
 

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I cannot remember if I have told this or not.  But my neighbor was a free grazer.  He did not maintain his fences.  His cows were always out on a major US Hwy.  He did not sell any.  The inbred over the years till the calves were the size of a blue heeler.  I fed them, a neighbor fed them.  One laid down right behind my house.  I rolled her up and gave her alfalfa and water, she died.  I had called him.  He never came.  My sister hit one and totalled her car 20 years before.  I went to several judges.  I helped the sheriff get them in a few times.  I shot one.  I had a picnic planned for the church and had to move it due to the cow dying and sliding under the fence onto my place.  They died and slid under the fence into our pond.  When they finally took the cattle, there were 48 carcases in a 30 acre place behind my house.  They cannot have cattle ever again.  They have now died, but their son who lives in Houston wants to start up raising cattle.  Houston is 8 hour drive from here.  That will not work.  

One night we came home from church and I helped a bull laying on my front porch.  He was later hit and killed on the highway in front of my house.  I called them.  He was going to leave it in front of my house, and told him if he did I was going to drag it to his front yard in town.

This man was my mail carrier.  He was the president of the American Legion.  He allowed three houses they inherited to rot down.  After his death, I repaired two of them.

On one occasion my landlord's bull went visiting.  I set up panels to catch the bull and fed the cattle in the panels.  I caught 23 bulls beside the one I was after and one cow in heat.  I asked them if I could haul them to the sale barn when I took the other bull.  I told them I would do it for nothing.  They told me to let theirs go.

These were Angus cattle that 40 years ago was the top of the line cattle.

We had a horse man and a Charlotte herd also taken in our county.
 

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Don't know if ya'll saw this in the the HPJ....

Starving cattle amid high prices for feed in Nebraska
BUTTE, Neb. (AP)--The dead were stacked in two piles, 70 cows in one, 30 in another, hidden away in the crevices of this scenic, hilly ranch country where cattle outnumber people.

Carl Schuman, a former county prosecutor who owned the cattle with his two brothers, says he knows what happened: They died "mostly of old age, and some younger ones got pneumonia."

But state investigators have another theory about what happened earlier this year on the Schuman ranch, where pastures this summer were nearly stripped bare from overgrazing while grass in adjoining pastures was about a foot high.

They think the animals might have starved to death.

Investigators haven't had to go out of their way to find dead cattle in Nebraska, where 6.5 million head roam. Since early this year, three cases of alleged starvation deaths involving a total of about 240 cattle have been reported in Nebraska--more than some officials can recall.

The state Attorney General has been investigating the Schuman ranch deaths since shortly after the piles were found March 15. No charges have been filed.

The latest case of alleged neglect surfaced earlier this month in southeastern Nebraska near Fairbury. Officials said they found many of the cows in a herd of about 80 near death at a defunct dairy farm.

The third case came in late April, when 25 cattle carcasses were found in a Merrick County pasture just outside of Grand Island. Ted Robb and Dustin Dugan pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of improper disposal of carcasses after felony animal neglect charges were dropped. They now face fines instead of jail time.

And in January, 111 cattle were found starved to death and another 140 emaciated in Red Willow County. Charges were never filed against the owner.

"Neglect cases are on the rise, and what's causing it, I'm not sure," said Steven Stanec, executive director of the Nebraska Brand Committee, a state agency that helps police the cattle industry. "We're having whole herds of hundreds of cattle being neglected."

Stanec and others say the cases from early this year don't share a clear-cut cause. But, he said, "I would say the higher price of feed has something to do with it."

In recent months the per-ton cost of hay has risen by about 80 percent, adding to the already high costs of other feed caused by lofty corn prices, which have slipped recently.

High commodity and fuel prices have encouraged farmers to stop raising hay, which is mostly used to feed cattle in the winter and early spring, said Neil Tietz, editor of Hay & Forage magazine. Tietz said hay prices are "certainly the highest I've ever seen."

And even with the recent drops in oil and commodity prices, Tietz expects hay prices to creep higher this coming winter, which could cause even more cases of starvation.

Livestock experts and those who track animal abuse cases nationally, including the Humane Society of the United States, say they don't know whether livestock neglect cases are on the rise across the country.

But they predict high hay prices will lead to more cattle herds slowly wasting away from starvation in remote pastures.

"We are going to have more cases of this," said Temple Grandin, professor of animal science at Colorado State University. She said starvation that can often take months to cause death is the worst type of animal abuse.

"There's no excuse for livestock starving to death," Grandin said angrily when told of the Nebraska cases. "You can always sell them. They might not be at a good price, but you can always sell them."

The cattle industry is already nursing a black eye following widespread circulation of videos recorded by undercover investigators for the Humane Society of the United States. They showed alleged abuse of livestock in slaughterhouses and sale barns, including a video from early this year of crippled and sick cows at a California slaughterhouse being shoved with forklifts.

In the Red Willow County case where 111 cattle were found starved to death, an investigator who went to the ranch described a grim, surreal scene. Some of the carcasses were frozen in a pond. The cattle had broken through the ice trying to get water.

An investigator who went to the ranch described a grim, surreal scene. Some of the carcasses were frozen in a pond. The cattle had broken through the ice trying to get water.

The owner had gone through a divorce, his tractor had broken down and "hay was too high and he couldn't afford to buy it," said David Horton, an inspector with the Nebraska Brand Committee.

"He just kinda gave up on life," Horton said.

The man wasn't charged with any crimes. Red Willow County Attorney Paul Wood said doing so would have cost too much because the county would have had to take custody of the remaining live cattle during court proceedings.

"We were going to have to take care of 140 head of cattle--feed, water and get vet care for them for a long time," Wood said. He estimated the cost at around $80,000.

"It was an unfortunate decision, but we made the best decision with the best interests of the live cattle," which the man sold, Wood said.

Similar decisions aren't uncommon in close-knit rural areas where it's "harder to throw the book" at offenders, said Dale Bartlett of the Humane Society of the United States.

Prosecution is also bypassed because livestock abuse doesn't cause the same level of public uproar as abuse to pets such as dogs, said Bartlett.

 

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Reading these reports is bad enough, but folks -- if any one out there has came across one of these deals in person -- it will tear your guts out to see it.

I won't try and say that there are not issues with some of these people we do not know of, but the bottom line is still this -- if there ever comes a time when you just can not take care of the cattle, and it is a choise of them or you -- call the trucks and get them in some one elses hands. That is the only answer -- and do it before it gets to the point where they are no longer worth the trouble. There simply is no excuse for this type of behavior -- period!

The case listed originally here is being handled by the sheriff I understand -- but they still may go right back to the same guy -- again. Smooth talk and and the attitude of not wanting to stir a pot could essentially still kill the remiaining cows there. They are thin -- beyond thin -- several dead ones -- other too weak to stand or walk -- and it came to me right from the sheriffs mouth today. I said to him -- if this does not got forward and they are rapidly improving, all hehad to do was call me -- and I would help myself and put the word out to who ever else wanted to help some too.

Sad thing here is -- this herd used to be a good clubby type herd, they sold good calves back in the 90's. The place was inherited lock stock and barrel -- so there isn't any mortgage to deal with. I just don't understand --

I know one thing here -- my cows get fed BEFORE I do, every day -- with no exceptions. If I ever get to the point where I just can not buy the feed, then some one will have the chance to buy what took me 20 years to breed, they will never suffer while I own them.

Enough said, my bottom line thoughts are this -- WE as a cattle community owe it to ourselves and our livestock to help prevent this from happeneing. So, even though we may know some one personally -- we still need to get out there and do something to stop the problem if we were to find a herd in trouble like this. I have a knot in my gut just thinking of it.

Have a good day all --

Terry


 

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probably should not post this but in Missouri if cattle are strays if you catch them and notify the Sheriff in your county he notifies all other parties that could be involved if no one claims them in 30 days they belong to you I know of a few calves that were seen loose for a couple months caught and slicked up with a little feed and the guys that caught them split a couple of thousand dollars also if cattle are continually out and a nuisance you used to be able to haul them to a sale barn sell in owners name and take your trucking out that may have changed now
 

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Update:got supenied to testify along with vet,ron,my wife. Judge fined mim 3,500$. 1 year probation. He got off of cruelity to animals but the judge let him have it with 500$ per mistameanor.This thing was interesting and real hard to prove count 1. It was a hearing not a trial. One guy thought this guy probably had 9,000$ cost to himself with laywer and everything. It is scary up in a witness box...something I don't want to do again.Seems like it would have been cheaper to feed the cows. Anyway.
 
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