Duhrams for Denver

[Bulldogg]

Does anyone have the results for the Duhrams for Denver bull sale? How about lots: 12, 16, 25, 26, 39 & 40.

Thanks!

 

[Mitch]

Also how did the Shorthorn Sale on the hill go?

 

[Okotoks]

the Summit results
1a)
1b)
1c) 6000.00
1d) 4250.00
2) 1750.00
3) 20,000.00
4) 1500.00
5) 3000.00
6) 2500.00
7) 2200.00
8) 10,000.00
9) 5000.00
10) 5900.00
11) 4100.00
11a) 250.00 x 4
12) 10,000.00
13a) 2800.00
13b) 3250.00
14a) 2100.00
14b) 2500.00
14c)
15) 2000.00
16a)
16b) 7000.00
16c)
17) 475.00 x 3
18)
19) 4500.00
20) 3250.00
21) 2000.00
22a) sold 3 times 1st time 3100.00x3 2nd time 3200.00x3 3rd 2700x3
22b)
23) 2700.00
24a)  850.00 x 4
24b) 250.00 x 4
25) 3100.00
26) 950.00 x 3
27) 600.00 x 4
28) 900.00 x 3
29) 7500.00
30) 300.00 x 3
31) 350.00 x 4
32a) 250.00 x 3
32b) 275.00 x 3
33) 350.00 x 4
34) 2250.00
35) 350.00 x 3
36) sold twice 225.00 x 5 225.00 x 5
37) 250.00 x 3
38) 325.00 x 3
39) 350.00 x 5
40) 275.00 x 3
41) 70.00 x 10
42) 2500.00
43) 4150.00
44a) 600.00 x 3
44b)
44c)
45) 4750.00
46) 150.00 x 6
47) 150.00 x 10
48) 160.00 x 6
49) 100.00 x 6
50) 120.00 x 3
51) 325.00 x 6

 

[NSF]

Does anyone have the results for the Duhrams for Denver bull sale? How about lots: 12, 16, 25, 26, 39 & 40.

Thanks!

12 - 5000
16 - 5750
25 - 1900
26 - 2200
39 - 3750
40 - 5500

Derek avgd 3887 on 48 head. Highseller was lot 1 at 23,000 to Byland Shorthorns and Select Sires. Second high seller was lot 11 at 15,000 to Dillabo shorthorns and Bennet Shorthorns. 39 and 40 brought 3,750 and 5,500

 

[Okotoks]

Durhams For Denver
Lot 1- 23,000
Lot 2-  8,000
Lot 3- 3750
Lot 4- 3750
Lot 5- 4250
Lot 6- 2100
Lot 7- 3000
Lot 8- 2000
Lot 9- 2100
Lot 10- 1800
Lot 11- 15,000
Lot 12- 5000
Lot 13- 7750
Lot 14- 3500
Lot 15- 5250
Lot 16- 5750
Lot 17- 2000
Lot 18- 4750
Lot 19- 4500
Lot 20- 3500
Lot 21- 4250
Lot 22- 1900
Lot 23- 2000
Lot 24- 2100
Lot 25- 1900
Lot 26- 2000
Lot 27- 1900
Lot 28- 1900
Lot 29- 1800
Lot 30- 2000
Lot 31- 2100
Lot 32- out
Lot 33- out
Lot 34- 1800
Lot 35- 2000
Lot 36- 1900
Lot 37- 1800
Lot 38- 1900
Lot 39- 3750
Lot 40- 5500
Lot 41- 3500
Lot 42- 4250
Lot 43- 3000
Lot 44- 3000
Lot 45- 1900
Lot 46- 6000
Lot 47- 4000
Lot 48- 4000
Lot 49- 1900
Lot 50- 2300

 

[tucker]

at duhrams for denver how many was big enough to breed a cow!  lol    i read the catalog and walk in the pens expecting to see rancher bulls, get there and take a look all i seen was little tinker toy hobby club calf bulls.  to work in the real world ? how does straight fronted, small footed ,over fed frame 4 and 5 bulls work in a commercial envirement. ????????????????????

 

[kfacres]

how many was big enough to breed a cow!  lol    i read the catalog and walk in the pens expecting to see rancher bulls, get there and take a look all i seen was little tinker toy hobby club calf bulls.  to work in the real world ? how does straight fronted, small footed ,over fed frame 4 and 5 bulls work in a commercial envirement. ????????????????????

O boy... your asking for a bruisin', just wait till the Shorthorn mafia gets their hands on your question...

I'm in agreeance though.. me and a few others that is!!! 

 

[M Bar]

Please remember that most of the bulls that were out in the yards were only 10-11 months old.  The data would suggest that they had ample WDA, scrotal, IMF and BF when compared to groups of other breed bulls that were represented in the yards.  I would be skeptical of a March bull calf that was a 6.7 frame and weighed over 1250# in January.  I work a few bull sales in the spring, primarily angus sales, and the bulls that I viewed in Denver look very similar to the bulls that will be sold in production sales this year.  If a commercial cow/calf producer is calving his herd in Feb, Mar, Then he won't be turning bulls out until early May.  That is another 120 days from when they were viewed/bought in the pens.  120 @ 3 pounds per day gain is 360#.  1050 pound bull calves last week will weigh 1400# at turn out time.  That is big enough for me.  If it isn't big enough for other folks on this board, then I would suggest looking at fall bulls, or aged bulls to ensure that the bull is mature (big) enough to perform.

 

[tucker]

u may want to check out the facts with other breeds data at denver. watched the angus pen show. grand carload of  ten jan and feb bulls ave weight 1383lbs. reserve carload of ten bulls  march and febs ave 1315lbs. alot of frame 6 plus beef machines with solid b.w. data . the charls and simms had the same performence profiles too. check out the info at the breed web sights.     

 

[jaimiediamond]

I wasn't at Denver so I can't comment about the bull power that was present but I do know that the bulls that sell in our area (in any breed) need to be sound, muscular and offer a lot of growth with easy fleshing ability.  By sound I mean that no foot no bull, no legs no bull.  In saying muscular I mean thick through the top line, and hind end the muscle should carry to the lower quarter to make our buyers happy.  Easy fleshing and growth are other factors minimum in put for maximum out put is what makes the bottom line.

 

[showcat]

The commercial cattleman wants performance.  They need real world growth bulls to use on the English bred cows that are grazing the countryside.  Most of the bulls that I saw in the Shorthorn pen show were too small framed to use on your typical Angus cow.  A lot of the bulls looked  more like the feeder calf end product should look than true beef bulls. 

 

[M Bar]

Tucker, I looked at the angus data, WOW.  Those are some high performing bulls and the owners have some good things to offer potential buyers.  Hereford data at the yards was good too.  I didn't look at the Charolais since there wasn't much of an offering to choose from.  Sorry you didn't like the cattle that were representing Shorthorn genetics in the yards.  As I look at where my program is going, it is becoming more and more obvious that high out put cattle tend to be high input cattle.  In the future, beef production, in my opinion will hinge on cattle that convert efficiently, rapidly, and have retained daughters in the herd that require little assitance to maintain body condition.  Steers that cannot convert under 6:1 feed to gain will be un-profitable to owners and yard managers as long as we continue with $6.50 corn.  Steers that grow like weeds, but are not choice or above until they reach 1,450 pounds will be tough to make a buck on even if they are yeild grade 1's.    Our steers from last year did really well, and converted gain $.10 under the yard average.  With high cost inputs, those traits will be sought after.  The fun thing about the cattle business is that we run cattle on anything we can't farm due to moisture, soil condition etc.  With that being said, it is obvous that cattle must be adept to their surrondings.  We use the kind of animal that fits our environment.  You don't see many santa gertudis in Canada and you don't see many scottish highlanders in south Texas.  Didn't mean to ramble, but we should all realize that there is no perfect animal to fit all needs. 

 

[coyote]

M Bar, very well put.

 

[Okotoks]

Tucker, I looked at the angus data, WOW.  Those are some high performing bulls and the owners have some good things to offer potential buyers.  Hereford data at the yards was good too.  I didn't look at the Charolais since there wasn't much of an offering to choose from.  Sorry you didn't like the cattle that were representing Shorthorn genetics in the yards.  As I look at where my program is going, it is becoming more and more obvious that high out put cattle tend to be high input cattle.  In the future, beef production, in my opinion will hinge on cattle that convert efficiently, rapidly, and have retained daughters in the herd that require little assitance to maintain body condition.  Steers that cannot convert under 6:1 feed to gain will be un-profitable to owners and yard managers as long as we continue with $6.50 corn.  Steers that grow like weeds, but are not choice or above until they reach 1,450 pounds will be tough to make a buck on even if they are yeild grade 1's.    Our steers from last year did really well, and converted gain $.10 under the yard average.  With high cost inputs, those traits will be sought after.   The fun thing about the cattle business is that we run cattle on anything we can't farm due to moisture, soil condition etc.  With that being said, it is obvous that cattle must be adept to their surrondings.  We use the kind of animal that fits our environment.  You don't see many santa gertudis in Canada and you don't see many scottish highlanders in south Texas.  Didn't mean to ramble, but we should all realize that there is no perfect animal to fit all needs.   

I agree with this. I see a lot of commercial Angus herds that probably have selected the small cows they have due to the environment they are dealing with. Those smaller Shorty's in the pens should be ideal on them as they will get hybrid vigor and still having the calving ease and cow size they need.I don't think those smaller ones would work for me any more than the Maine influence bigger boned ones will work for me but there were some pretty good bulls there and they will work in thre right environments.

 

[sue]

spell check:  DURHAM  NOT DUHRAM.

Tucker - you may want to try SAV Angus Bulls??  Or go to the Wanted section of classifieds and ask for semen by any bull from the 80's and 90's  .  While you're shopping add a grain truck . feed bunks and  a calf jack... I am sure the deals on SELF FEEDERS are coming down in price too??  If you're not farming now then get busy and rent more corn ground.  Michigan land prices are very good right now? Just a thought.  YOU SHOULD ADD" i SELL CATTLE BY THE POUND "  ...  IN YOUR AD CAMPAIGN TOO.  In your spare time from hauling feed, send me a post card 


Hey, all I heard was good  news shorthorn. keep it up ! 

 

[shortyisqueen]

Have we STOPPED selling cattle by the pound? Whatever happened to little cow/big calf? Now we just want little cows with little calves?

I spent some time writing a post that was about this topic exactly in one of the deleted threads (thanks unruly steerplaneters)...Whatever happened to the goal of having curve-bending bulls?

 

[JTM]

I think that a lot of these bulls are meant to be used in commercial cow/calf programs that want quick growing feeder calves with low birthweight, and calves that are vigorous when they hit the ground. These bulls are only yearlings and have good performance. They are suited for moderate to smaller framed cattle and may have trouble breeding the taller, larger cows the first year.From my experience most commercial cow/calf operators don't like to have 1800-2000 lb cows. I think that the consistency of the bulls says a lot for the bloodlines and what kind of feeders you could get from these genetics.

 

[M Bar]

We have not stopped selling by the pound at all.  If breeders use "curve bending" bulls for multiple generations, and they retain daughters, then they will have big, growthy calves with big growthly mothers within two generations.  I have some in my herd.  They weigh around 1600#.  I have a couple that weigh in around 1700#.  I can't continue to breed those cows to curve bending, hammer the scale bulls and expect the next generation to be 1300# mature weight cows.  smaller framed, easier fleshing bulls are the answer in my opinion to larger framed, big cows if you plan to MODERATE.  You do not give up performance of the calf crop if your cows are worth their merit.  Again, this is my opinion.  I don't believe in the "fire and ice" method of genetic selection either, as you lose consistency.  Extremes have been the norm in the purebred industry for a hundred years.  The most prolific, consistent, and long term seedstock producers do not chase extremes.  They focus on economically relevant traits and try to breed their cattle to meet those standards.  If we spend the next three generations producing moderate cattle, keep replacements, then we have the opportunity to use curve bending bulls and offering cattle with greater performance than their parents.  I just feel that we sometimes go to extremes over and over and over and lose focus on those important traits that keep us all in the black financially and paying the bills.  One example would be the Simmetals from the 80's.  Were the Lightnings and Papillons something you would use today?  I don't think that those cattle are what we need today, but we sure tried them 30 years ago.  This is good banter for all and I hope no one gets to offended or takes any of this stuff on the internet too personal.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The breed is slowly headed in the right direction JMO- but face the facts folks-the Angus(and most recently the Maines HATS OFF) have gotten the Bw-To yearling grid to a really enviable posistion. THEY ARE PRODUCING 85 pound (or less Yatta yatta) Bw bulls that break 1200 Yw-yea yea yea-they are on self feeders etc -AND:SO ARE YOURS-you(we) have alot of ground to cover-because THEY SHOW THESE CATTLE TOO.Sorry I had to  mention Red Angus-they are only the most complete commercial( and otherwise) cattle Ive seen-JMO- I dont think Any breed can touch em right now,but then again-they are red. O0

 

[cattlefarmer]

My first calves from a Jungels/ Dale Rocker purchased bull are hitting the feed yard now and doing quite well.  His stats were not a lot different then these bulls had.  Nicest most uniformed set of calves here in quite sometime.  They won't take the old saying of 100 bu. of corn to the head to get fat either.  I won't head to the 50's sized cattle either but we sure don't need cattle finishing at 1500lbs either, besides most packers shy away from them anyhow.  Takes big cows to have calves that finish at that weight.  The cattle here need to pay bills not make them.  My experience is the those 1500 lbs cows rarely wean 750 lbs calves with no creep feed.  Takes a lot of feed to keep that big body going.

Our fats finish in that 1250 range and generally are the top or very close to the top of the sale when we sell them and can do that at either sale barn we do business with.  These aren't black hided cattle either most are purebred shorty's.  They must do something right at the packing plant for the buyers to want them.