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mark tenenbaum

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I cant erace the second post which is basically the pedigree etc over again.I didnt think the first one 'stuck'. Im not positive what is or is not a full blood. I'm more concerned about how some of these bulls worked in the past on Shorthorns . There were enough Flashes (even I had a couple) and Rocker Bros. performance cattle out of Fireman that I saw. Based upon their everyday use- that made them somewhat proven. Ones like General Lee have been suggested by Mark Mueller-I THINK he knows a little about Maines and usage on Shorthorns way back when his friends at Deertrail started using Maines. Another bull I like is Red Knight-based upon descendents at Shirelys in Western Ks and the multitudes of Steermakers Ive seen. The soundest most correct one I have ever been involved with was UB Junior Walker. He was sired by Double Down who was an absolute cripple so i'm told. Jr Walker passed that walk on to every calf we ever had out of him.
 

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Flash (doc-sun's flash) is nowhere near as extreme as twin creek etulason or crippled like power plant.

There’s only one reason to have etulason that close in a pedigree and even that is debatable.
 

mark tenenbaum

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Flash (doc-sun's flash) is nowhere near as extreme as twin creek etulason or crippled like power plant.

There’s only one reason to have etulason that close in a pedigree and even that is debatable.
Harold Hoskins and Ed Grathwohl had a bull Vistas Sentra 20 U that he called Flash. He was calf champion at Denver in 1987 or something. Thats the one Im talking about. The Fireman bull wasnt crippled at all. And he produced some good long lived cows at: Rockers, Greenridge J and H and a few other places.
 

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Sadly, you won’t use doc-sun’s bull slash.

If you listened to yourself, you would. The pedigree on that bull is typey for what vista’s Sentra and that cattle family were doing.

Prob take too much investigation to prove it too you.

Just like back then, and now, you would need 20-30 calves (of anything) to sort off 2-3 you would want to keep.

Repeat and stick with an idea and the background of the type, and you would have something.

But we both know that $50 a unit is prob too steep.

Better to use the $5 stuff.
 

mark tenenbaum

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1-The bull I would use would be Yukon 2-There is no such thing as $5 semen 3-We dont have 20 -30 cows we have 5 -4- Vistas Sentra is too big and too snakey for me. 5- Shorthorns do not breed like other cattle AT ALL. I try to use ones that I know have worked on shorthorns -And based upon visible evaluations by people I know. I dont want black ones. Hardings Capital Gaines produced two train wrecks for example. 6- There are pockets of semen on bulls like Red Knight , (or a son I know of) General Lee and others around that have produced the kind of calves I want.
 
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