J BAR L !!!!!!!!! Let's debate about the Indians!!!!!!! Wait..............................ok, now I'm ready, 9/10 of my brain is tied behind my back, that's the best I could do to make it a fair fight. Sorry I couldn't do better. Let's see who knows more about the the people you call "Indians" and my relatives and how socialism shapes their lives, me or you OK? you go first. Or do you want me to just go with what you already stated. J BAR, now just so you know, this will be like wrestling a pig in the mud. After a while you'll get the picture on just how much the pig enjoys getting you muddy ;D (clapping) Go ahead!!! You might want to do a couple decades of research first.
Knabe for you and your deal on unions, it's not the unions that break the companies. Nothing wrong with unions. It's the the people in the unions. When my dad was working, retired 20 years ago, a union was needed to protect workers from companies that would have treated their workers similar to the way workers are treated in say China. Without unions companies would take every advantage of it's employees from wages to hours to safety. You may say that China is a shining example of a growing economy but the only benefactor is the government, not any employees of a manufacturing facility. Over 30,000 people in China lost their lives last year in manufacturing facilities. That doesn't count maimings or loss of sight or anything like that. And while you may argue that the workers have improved lifestyles, in my mind its not improvement to move from a thatched hut to a tin one. Without at least the threat of organized labor, corporations would treat their employees worse than we treat our animals. I know, I've never worked in a union, only in upper level management and I know what CEO's and presidents say about their workers and I know of their schemes to pay them as little as possible and I know exactly what they think of the people who do the actual work.
After my dads generation, the WWII generation, the workers who came along didn't have the same work ethic they did. And just by it's very definition, the union protected those people as well as those who were only trying to get paid what an honest days pay was worth. Poor production and rising labor costs caused many, many plants here to go out of business or move out of the country. But a larger portion of the cost of production was taxes from all levels of government.
The economy runs on disposable income. Disposable income comes from good paying jobs. As we learned from Hoover you can't pay people to do nothing. About the only thing you can pay people high wages to do is actually make something or to engineer and develop something. Can't pay a lot for carpet or window cleaning. The government doesn't owe me or anyone else a job. But since it's policies have ruined the climate that would cause business to WANT to pay higher wages, the government owes the people of this country an environment that is conducive to business being able to pay it's workers more than enough just to get buy on. When a significant number of people make just enough to get by on or less, the economy grinds to a halt. It's the loss of jobs, good paying jobs, that has killed our economy. There is no statistic that shows the amount of people who have lost jobs and then taken new jobs at half their previous pay. The fall of the housing market is nothing but a reflection of the loss of jobs and the loss of income. At first there were those with "balloon" notes that had homes they never should have been able to buy in the first place. Homes they couldn't afford. But that is long past. Now, in my town of 100,000, there are pages and pages of foreclosures in the paper every Thursday. These are homes people have owned and paid for for 10, 15 or even 20 years. $100,000 homes, not the million dollar homes that the media seems to want to show being foreclosed every day. But even many of those homes were lost not due to lack of personal management, but loss of employment. And the biggest reason for loss of employment is government taxes and policies. I can give you example after example of policies in both the Clinton and Bush Administrations that have led to this. BEst thing I've seen lately was a sign that said " GO GREEN - RECYCLE CONGRESS"
....maybe the repubs should call " him" out.... 
