High Selling Shorthorn bull Douglas Test Station

[RFL]

Did the high selling bull also have in his ancestry a Duke of Dublin son
that was the high seller and high gainer back in 1985?

 

[GM]

can someone post pictures or a link?  sorry if I missed it

 

[scotland]

pictures of the bulls i took on the Tuesday b4 the sale. 7x white $6000 high seller , 12x red 2nd high seller$4000.00, and  the heifer
BROUGHT $1800.00

 

[Okotoks]

pictures of the bulls i took on the Tuesday b4 the sale. 7x white $6000 high seller , 12x red 2nd high seller$4000.00, and  the heifer
BROUGHT $1800.00

Aussie nailed it! 103 lb white bull to a commercial Angus herd! Polled by the way.
Scotland - Is this the right pedigree??

UPHILL GUSSY 7X X-[CAN]M474904-


           GLENFORD GUS 4H X-[CAN]M467280-  
      GLENFORD GUS 40N X-[CAN]M470436-    
           GLENFORD LASS 23J -[CAN]F673748-  
  BIRDTAIL G GUS 15U -[CAN]M473964-      
            FLYING C FOUNDATION 7F X-M466215-  
      JT BETSY 15L X-[CAN]F676533-    
           JT BETSY 16H -[CAN]F672342-  
UPHILL GUSSY 7X        
          FOUR POINT SILVERADO 12K X-[CAN]*9268-  
     UPHILL SILVER BULLET 2N X-[CAN]*12096-    
          UPHILL ROSE 96J X-[CAN]*8342-  
  UPHILL ROSE 9S X-[CAN]F682777-      
         GLENFORD EXTENDER 14H X-[CAN]*7103-  
     UPHILL ROSE 5M X-[CAN]*10651-    
         UPHILL ROSE 84H X-[CAN]*7349-  


                                                     -                 
BIRTH DATE    BW   CE   ON TEST  112 DAY  GAIN   YRLG    ADG LBS    WPDA LBS                                     
01//03/2010    103  U    877        1426          550    1422      4.91              3.90                              

 

[scotland]

yes Okotoks that is the right pedigree, only one duke of dublin representitive, Herbourne Grand Duke . The 2nd high seller is bred very similar.

 

[Okotoks]

yes Okotoks that is the right pedigree, only one duke of dublin representitive, Herbourne Grand Duke . The 2nd high seller is bred very similar.

2nd high seller at $4000
BIRDTAIL ANNE'S GUS 12X X-[CAN]M475277-


                GLENFORD GUS 4H X-[CAN]M467280- 
          GLENFORD GUS 40N X-[CAN]M470436-   
                GLENFORD LASS 23J -[CAN]F673748- 
    BIRDTAIL GUS 11T X-[CAN]M473271-     
                RENOSA HIGH STAKES 10L X-[CAN]M469168- 
          BELL M ANNABELLE 11P X-[CAN]F680248-   
                BELL M ANNABELLE 52M X-[CAN]F678592- 
BIRDTAIL ANNE'S GUS 12X       
                  FLYING C MANITOBA RED 7D X-M464966- 
          POPLAR PARK GREG 29G X-M466745-   
                POPLAR PARK MUFFIN 3A X-F662311- 
    HERBOURNE PPG ANNE 12K X-[CAN]F675261-     
                MF VIGILANTE 372 X-M463954- 
        POPLAR PARK ANNE 76G -[CAN]F672129-   
                POPLAR PARK ANNE 35S -F642708- 

BIRTH DATE    BW  CE  ON TEST  112 DAY  GAIN  YRLG    ADG LBS    WPDA LBS                                   
13//03/2010    108  U    831        1276        445    1316      3.97            3.60     

Other bulls sold.
632  $3000
630  2900
631  3300             
623  3100
627  3200
624  2600
621  2600

 

[Okotoks]

I just want to congratulate the Manitoba breeders for consigning such a powerful group of bulls. Those bulls averaged $3389. Ave. BW 102 lbs., Ave. gain on test for 112 days 474 lbs., ADG of the group 4.24 lb., Ave. yearling weight 1320lbs. Put these bulls calves in the feedlot and you should make some money!

 

[Mark H]

The big lesson here for Shorthorn breeders is that performance sells...

 

[aj]

Common Mark. What the hell are you talking about? What is your definition of performance? You are trying to say that a maternal breed should strive to win terminal carcass test's. You could not have made a more simple, antedotal statement. Please expand on all your "performance" wisdom.

 

[kfacres]

Common Mark. What the hell are you talking about? What is your definition of performance? You are trying to say that a maternal breed should strive to win terminal carcass test's. You could not have made a more simple, antedotal statement. Please expand on all your "performance" wisdom.

I always heard that Trump was a high performance sire???  Performance as in high performing towards frame size... 

O wait, i forgot, Big Birthweights = big weaning weights = big yearling weights = performance = TRUMP  SO Yes, I guess performance pays in the shorthorn breed.

 

[aj]

Notice no one mentioned how many calves the super sire's dam had had or her stayability. What the hell was the cost of gain? What was the back fat scans. Give us some real numbers, not the ole wda and adg and 2000# cow cows rule stuff. What were the backfat scans.....? .5? I am assuming it wasnt an all roughage test?

 

[aj]

The truth.....don't you just love these little orchestrated attempts of shameless self marketing and contrived advertisements. "But wait...theres more!" ;D

 

[aj]

You must call in the next 15 minutes and you can get 2 bulls for one! You heard right. But you must order now. Be the first kid on your block to have the "super frisbie". But wait theres more! A free carrying case for your super frisbie! But wait there is more! ;D

 

[Okotoks]

Some people just hate other people's success. News flash - most Canadian cattle are fed out in feedlots because we don't have year round grass. That makes these bulls ideal for beef production up here.
Earlier information from this thread in case you missed it!

"read all the threads, interesting about the birth weights... you should know that the high gainer, wda 4.01, adg 5.42 posted rea 13.5 leanmeatyield 64.4%, the high seller  adg 4.91, wda 3.9 rea 15.2 lmy 67%... both calves carrying similar Glenford breeding."

High sellers grand dam had 8 calves in her first 7 years of production and the dam produced the high seller at age 4, he was her 3rd calf. It's all there in the electronic herd book.

We shouldn't confuse the facts with the vitrolic.

 

[aj]

I know from now on my goal is raise bull calves that have 110# birth weight's.....cause look. They do it in Canada.....but wait theres more! ;D

 

[Okotoks]

I know from now on my goal is raise bull calves that have 110# birth weight's.....cause look. They do it in Canada.....but wait theres more! ;D

You could always focus on raising bulls that people in Kansas wanted to buy. It would be a start!

 

[aj]

Where can we purchase more genetics like this?

 

[aj]

Lord I apologize. But is there an advantage if I use my American Shorthorn Assn credit card?

 

[cattlefarmer]

They used to feed like an 80% oat ration back in the 90's. They actually do an excellent job of developing bulls there.   The birth weights will come down 7 to 10 lbs when you bring those bulls down to the midwest, at least ours did still wasn't hiefer friendly but no problems on cows. Really other than a few people most breeders in Canada don't use trump or the popular show ring genetic.   You want bulls that sire steers that gain efficiently and still kill well and sire easy keeping good milking daughters, its the bulls that get consigned to this test station.   

 

[justintime]

aj and the truth... as I have told you many times before, why don't you raise what works in your area and your environment, and we will do the same.  The bulls that sold in this sale, sold to commercial producers who attended this sale and bought what they wanted.I would suggest thatt this set of commercial buyers have spoken loud and clear, as to what they want. I find it insulting to these cattlemen, that you would belittle their decisions  when each of you live 1000+ miles away.  These guys obviously wanted bulls that had some performance and some good carcass info. I guarantee you that the some of  lower BW bulls will also be the tougher sale in our sale. We stress calving ease as much as birth weight, and we  sell a bunch of bulls to guys who run pretty big outfits. We let our commercial customers decide for themselves as to what they want to buy and they are coming back. It reallly sounds to me like you try to tell everyone else what they should be producing. I would think that when you guys are selling as many bulls to repeat commercial buyers then you might have reason to point fingers. What we are doing here in Canada is working for us, and we are starting to grab a bigger piece of the bull market. Quite frankly, you can tell me until Hell freezes over that what we do here  is wrong, but I probably won't listen. The reason for this is that we have listened to what our commerical industry wants, and as a result the commercial industry is starting to take  a serious look at the Shorthorn breed. You guys should really think about showing us what we do is wrong by what you do.... and not just by what you say!

Oh... and I forgot to mention that there was NO Trump in any of these bulls, in fact they were all Western Canadian Shorthorn bloodlines... and the buyers loved them. So how can you say these cattlemen are wrong, when  you never saw the bulls and have no idea of the operations they will be used. I can almost guarantee ( from our experience testing bulls) that if there had been bulls with 70 lb BWs, none of them would have made the sale because their ADG and WPDA would have been too low. This is not just a Shorthorn situation here in Canada. In looking through several sale results from Angus and Simmental sales in this area, most of the best selling bulls were not the small BW bulls. So I guess everyone is wrong .....