Justin, we used him on cows that we thought needed more extension and maternal added to them. I only bred a 1/2 rack, but as you know I had been watching him for a couple of years and do think that he could be a big sleeper bull. We'll see if it works out or if he'll be another bull that I should have left alone. I'm hoping that I'll be pleasantly surprised. As of right now. they're perfect. LOL., as are all of my matings. Too bad I have to calve'em out. Brent