OKshorthorn
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Who all is going? What are you picks?
Mitch said:I am not going to make it. Sure wish I could. I really like the Waco calves.
Redwine Cattle said:I like the lot 57 Bloodstone cow. What are your thoughts on her?
OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:]
donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,
-XBAR- said:OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:]
donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,
From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean?? How about from a proven production or quality standpoint? This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed.
Okay, i like the white calf although if you look at my original post i posted the info for lot 11, a 2004 proven production donor as you can see in her progeny in lot 11a and 11b her calves out of WHR Ft. Worth. I also posted you a picture of her calf out Ja Dazzle from the 2008 sale, maybe you will like her.-XBAR- said:OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:]
donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,
From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean?? How about from a proven production or quality standpoint? This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed. ??? <beer>
No you further proved my point. Both of you,by your replys, are under the impression that just because an individuals pedigree is great that ALL of their offspring will be..Redwine Cattle said:-XBAR- said:OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:]
donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,
From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean?? How about from a proven production or quality standpoint? This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed.
I'm pretty sure you are proving his point. You ask how about proven production? Sonny 8114, in the shorthorn breed I'm not sure how much more proven you can get?! Especially seeing how we are talking about a young calf, the only production standpoint you can go on are their parents. Quality standpoint? Come on, can you honestly say that heifer at 5-8 months old is poor quality? Really?
Another thing to consider when looking at these two heifers is the massive age difference. The second heifer is over a year old in the picture, while the lot 11A is only 6 months. 6 months of show feed, and you would be surprised how much the young heifer will change. It would be an easier debate if they were pictured at the same age.-XBAR- said:Redwine Cattle said:I like the lot 57 Bloodstone cow. What are your thoughts on her?
She was one one of the better looking females. Id like to see her waco bull calf at side too. Shes also bred back to Waco!
The Chandler Group sure would like to take home that lot 16 bull calf. Sharp!
As far as the heifers posted above... how could they same person like that second white heifer and also like the top one. If I had to keep her, I personally wouldn't give 500bucks for that top white heifer. Strait and shallow is all I see. The bottom heifer august pride x somethin is very nice!
-XBAR- said:OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:]
donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,
From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean?? How about from a proven production or quality standpoint? This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed.
My comments were not geared at the dam of lot 11a but 11a herself. I thought the implication was that 11a was "donor quality" solely because of her pedigree. Sorry for the misunderstanding. And I don't know about most people, but my heifers are the soggiest they will be their entire life the day they are weaned so I don't quite understand the "green" factor.twistedhshowstock said:I think there was some miss in the understanding of what he was saying also. He wasnt saying that 11A was he greatest lot in the sale. He was saying he liked the damn(lot 11) as a donor buy. I think conclusions are being drawn off that one calf, stop and remember that cow is 8 yrs old, so this isnt her only calf. He wasnt making his decision based solely on that calf or on solely on the pedigree. He was making his decision based on the fact that the cow comes from a tremendous cow family, has a pedigree packed with proven producers, and the cow has proven herself in her previous calves. I dont think this white heifer is by any means one of her better calves. But like others, I think you are missing a lot of potential in that white heifer. She is just 6 months old, so she is just at weanin age for most of us. We dont know if she had been put on feed or simply pulled off mama and clipped. That heifer has the pieces to develop very very nicely when she is put on full feed. Her biggest issue at this point is being very very green, we all know that doesnt change until they have been on feed. The heifer you are trying to compare her to is more than twice her age and has been on feed for a long time. So yes she is longer, deeper, bigger middled...she has had the feed to do it for her.
If past scenarios hold true, I think a lot of people will miss this white heifer because she is so green. Someone will have a good chance at getting her fairly cheap, and if they take her home and feed her right they will have a very nice calf on their hands.
I think its very unfair to accuse an honest breeder of making decisions that "bastardize" the breed, when in all reality he is making very sound decisions. He is chosing a donor based not solely on her pedigree or how she looks, but on how the 8 yr old cow has produced in what I guess we all will assume has been at least 5 or 6 calves assuming she hasnt been flushed before. I think that is much better than preaching how much better it would be to pick a yearlin that hasnt even had her first calf yet, sure she is pretty but you have no clue if that heifer will produce or not yet.