1st picture... 1/2 Lowline bull that I raised, also 1/2 Tarentaise. Grand Champion Percentage Lowline Bull at the American Royal in 2007. BW 64 - 205 Adj 660+ - Frame 4.5 Pictured at 17 months & he had never had a halter on 1 day in his life until 40-45 days before that Show at the Royal!! He also lost weight in the breaking process, but still looked good. You can't tell, but he was thick butted too.
2nd picture... Doc Holliday, my main fullblood herd sire, in his working clothes. 48.5 inches tall & 1465 lbs. after breeding cows last fall at Cross Creek Farms in Indiana.