New Herd Bulls

[kfacres]

We will only get a couple of Wentworth calves this year. Should have been more but some of the cows he was with got shipped when the vet said they were open. That's when we found out that three others he said were open were well along in calf when we sent them to be flushed. Right now Wentworth is at the west coast seeing service at Circle M. We will get him back to use late spring, early summer! Wentworth's dam would get some of her muscling from Sterling II, he left them thick.

What's the deal with sending open cows to the flush center?  Maybe I am confused or just don't understand what you mean.  It sounds like since the 3 cows were called open by the vet that you decided to send them to get flushed, is that right?  Why would you want to further propagate cow families that cannot breed within the parameters set forth?  Granted they turned out to be bred which is great but I am a bit disturbed by how you found out that they were bred. ???

Because the cows that were with that bull , were called open. If he thought he had a sterile bull, then that wouldn't be the cows fault. He was taking the opportunity at what he thought was a bad situation & tryng to turn something around.
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if the bull was sterile, and the open cows were his (bull's) fault.. THEN WHY WOULD THEY SHIP OPEN COWS IN THE FIRST PLACE>>>  seems to be talking in circles around this topic?

 

[jaimiediamond]

Its only circles when people don't read... Which is right up your alley as your always talking in circles.

cows were shipped as they were "open" three were retained to flush.  At the stud they were confirmed far along in their pregnancy meaning that the cows shipped were also most likely in calf and do to vet error they were shipped (we were refunded by the vet in question)  I see this as a fairly straight forward explanation but knowing you it can be twisted.  As for the bull he is also fertile.

 

[kfacres]

Its only circles when people don't read... Which is right up your alley as your always talking in circles.

cows were shipped as they were "open" three were retained to flush.  At the stud they were confirmed far along in their pregnancy meaning that the cows shipped were also most likely in calf and do to vet error they were shipped (we were refunded by the vet in question)  I see this as a fairly straight forward explanation but knowing you it can be twisted.  As for the bull he is also fertile.

Let me see if I have this right then?

You shipped 3 cows b/c they were open-- this means they were open, and it was their fault- otherwise you wouldn't have shipped them.
You kept 3 cows to flush b/c they were open and old... This means they were faulty at being open due to age, or you decided to keep them as they were open due to the bull's problem.. 

So which is it?  The bull was at fault for 3 cows, but not the other 3? If you suspected the bull to be at fault here, why did you not ship the bull and save the 6 cows?  If you suspected the bull was good, why did you not ship all 6 cows? 

looking back at it this seems logical... shipped 3 cows, due to the bull, but kept three due to the bull... ended up finding out hired a dumb ass for vet.

Well actually I guess you still kept the bull, kept the open cows, sold the other open cows, and blamed it all on the human..

 

[justintime]

For goodness sake, Jody .. give it a rest!  This family has raised, managed and promoted an outstanding breeding program for many decades. They are quite capable of managing their cows and if they want to flush an older cow because she has been a stellar producer ( which all of these have been) what concern is it of yours? I'm sorry, but this constant arguing you want to do on a continuous basis is really getting old. I would suggest that when you have been half as successful as this family has been you might have cause to question how they manage their outstanding breeding program. Their genetics can literally be found around the world.

 

[kfacres]

For goodness sake, Jody .. give it a rest!  This family has raised, managed and promoted an outstanding breeding program for many decades. They are quite capable of managing their cows and if they want to flush an older cow because she has been a stellar producer ( which all of these have been) what concern is it of yours? I'm sorry, but this constant arguing you want to do on a continuous basis is really getting old. I would suggest that when you have been half as successful as this family has been you might have cause to question how they manage their outstanding breeding program. Their genetics can literally be found around the world.

Naw, I'd rather not... I have no interest in selling all over the world, I have zero interest in producing a show cattle, I have no interest in doing alot of things anymore...  I have no interest in registered purebred Shorthorn cattle either for that matter.  I'll continue to build on my interest to produce what I like, what converts grass into red meat, and what generates a profit. 

I have no concern with their program, and must admit that people sure admire it. 

Like I said, I don't really care anything about this program- just looking for a simple answer about what was going through their head...  Maybe someday I'll have something similar.. and can think back to myself...  "I once heard a great story teller, tell a story about his shorthorn bull, who knowbody knew was faulty.  Some blamed the cows, some the bull...  Ended up being nothing wrong, but human error...  What should I do now?  Shoot the bull, or cull the cows?  Heck, keep em all- then you know you kept the right one.. or sell em all, then you know you sold the right one.. Guess that's about it for now folks....  If I had money, or great stories, I'd make a movie.. Course no body would watch it, as it involved shithorns. 

 

[rarebirdz]

jody kabat otherise known as the truth when did anyone say how many cows were shipped? I would say 3 open being taken to be flushed and all 3 being in calf would consistute as "human error" but who knows some 23 year old who doesn't care if he ever sells a damed thing knows it all? I guess he is jealous of anyone who has sucess as he attacks almost every positive person on this forum. 

 

[Okotoks]

Who knew! Never thought one of my mistakes would create so much interest and there are so many of them!

 

[jaimiediamond]

I think a lot of people like to pick at the negatives like the reason cows went to be flushed, and then why they weren't flushed rather then the new bulls.  I reattached Timeless and Captain (from April 9 after traveling for many hours).

 

[kfacres]

actually jd... he was very cheap....  very cheap.

 

[jaimiediamond]

actually jd... he was very cheap....  very cheap.

A little background this is coming from the thread shorty heifer bulls where Jody had the great wisdom to put a red angus up .  Shorty heifer bulls equal an angus interesting, not at all a confused moment on "the truth"'s part.  Just a simple misunderstanding it must have been.  I am only putting this up as  Jody was kind enough to tell me my new bull had poor structure via negative karma (no biggy) so I mentioned that perhaps his did as well in the childish way he brings out in people, not something I am proud of but I gave him positive karma over it . 

Jody then had to bring it out in public airing our dirty laundry per say! That is okay here is the truth where everyone can see it. I am not surprised the "Trend" bull was cheap, moreover don't dish out what you can't handle coming back "the truth"  You think of yourself as something special and who knows maybe one day you will be but right now you are a negative person who actually should give a damn about something, because if you don't you will miss out on the best parts of life.

I don't always agree with other users on this forum in fact a lot of the time I am from a different planet BUT I can appreciate what they have to say 99% of the time.  In fact thanks to the planet I found out about fantastic breeders that I would otherwise be clueless about because the "little guys" can't always advertise through the Shorthorn Country or other promotional magazines.

you can find the rest of his post on Shorty Heifer Bulls page 26 actually coming from "the truth" it was very positive

Pictured above is Andras Trend 8040- as a two year old- on pasture currently running a group of 25 heifers, with just enough grain to keep them calm (1/2 lb/ day/ every other day).  Nonstop, he's been running various groups of heifers (25-40) for the last two years under the same senerio and conditions.  So as this picture attests to, Trend has been a very easy keeper, and the number of heifers hasn't effected his body condition score, or fertiltiy yet.  If we didn't feed that little bit of grain, he's be in just as good of shape!

 

[rarebirdz]

"The Truth" won't be able to handle that truth I just went to shorty heifer bulls and saw the post wit my own eyes rofl

The facts are
The Truth pipes off on people and then follows up with cattle that don't work fer any industry only good thing he has shown imo is the roan bull he no longer has.  Obvisly he dosnt care his cattle show it

 

[jaimiediamond]

"The Truth" won't be able to handle that truth I just went to shorty heifer bulls and saw the post wit my own eyes rofl

The facts are
The Truth pipes off on people and then follows up with cattle that don't work fer any industry only good thing he has shown imo is the roan bull he no longer has.  Obvisly he dosnt care his cattle show it

Actually there have been some nice cows the truth posted at one time I will try and find them.  Useful females with good udder attachments.  I think the basis of my post was that he is a bit of a bully who doesn't take the time to look at the facts other breeders bring to the table yet he keeps saying bring him the facts? Why should we you don't read them! On every message from the truth we see "my name is JODY KABAT>. for those of you who think I hide behind my PC screen name...  I will say what I believe in front 1 person, or a million..  My thoughts are MINE ONLY, and no one can take them away, but they sure can try to persuade me otherwise.  Bring facts in, and I might sway my thoughts!". The truth is that isn't the truth. Jody wants a fight not facts

We had a huge dump of snow (again) but I have a picture that Okotoks took this morning of Neva Baroness she was the only cow not represented in my earlier post.

 

[rarebirdz]

I wil take your word for it but I doubt the truth knows a good animal even when it kicks him

Speaking of good animals though I really like all 3 cows you posted lucky y'all took them to be flushed as it would be a shame to have thrown away the genetics do to one dumb vet.

 

[aj]

The truth may have a point that this thread has turned into the usual"mutual admiration society". Okytoks and jamie diamond, Jit, all compllimenting each other and telling each other how "swell" the other person is.  ;D

 

[jaimiediamond]

The truth may have a point that this thread has turned into the usual"mutual admiration society". Okytoks and jamie diamond, Jit, all compllimenting each other and telling each other how "swell" the other person is.  ;D

Funny that only happened when the Truth stepped in so technically speaking Jaimiediamond (me) started a thread about the new bulls I am pleased with nothing like spending other peoples money to make a girl happy! I had constructive criticism and pats on the back, which is what makes the planet fun. Then the truth activated the Mafia but I do admit I can't take him seriously nor should anyone else.  At least in your case ja you care about what happens with your program, and what you produce

Modified to show the dairy type female I liked that the truth posted in December

 

[rarebirdz]

if what was said on the TH and PHA thread is true aj don't care about the purebred cattle he produces either.  (thumbsup) anothergreat representative of the cattle industry 

 

[ruhtram]

I like your set of bulls!

 

[kfacres]

The Red Angus bull isn't worth a darn...  Just because he's in the top 90% of the breed for growth and muscle traits, does that counter act his top 5% BW, calving ease, and milk?  Along with his top 10% IMF?  

That big cow that you posted last, she's not worth a dog terd either... She's about an 1800 lb cow, who's probably a frame score 200.  She did have a knockout heifer calf her first time to the Red Angus bull.  Actually, that's the only RA x dairy type female that we are keeping back for a cow.  

Honestly, we don't have a cow on the place that anybody would like...  Just a bunch of **** eaters that take up space, and wouldnt' be worth a nickel in this current day "seller's market".

Just for everyone else's pleasure... Here's a few pics for  you to spread around and laugh at...  

These are just average ole cows.. but for the heck of it.. I'll go ahead and tell a story about them... .  "Anybody" else would write a book instead.  
1st pic is a purebred Kool dtr (double clean), with her Dr. Feelgood bull calf that we just weaned a few weeks ago.  She's an 07.
2nd pic is a Major League x Lucky Dice  RAx sim heifer pic from a couple years ago.
3rd is a Pharo 5 Star daughter, back to E161...  That's Dr. Feelgood in the background
4th is just a cow.  Nothing in her pedigree worth mentioning...  She is the mother of the black Sept bull calf that we are keeping back to be the new herd bull.  He is a Dr. Feelgood calf.  That is D.F. behind her again.-
Last pic is a the worthless Red Angus bull this winter...  Still as worthless as in the picture posted above, when he was about 16 months old, and running with over 40 heifers.  

 

[kfacres]

"The Truth" won't be able to handle that truth I just went to shorty heifer bulls and saw the post wit my own eyes rofl

The facts are
The Truth pipes off on people and then follows up with cattle that don't work fer any industry only good thing he has shown imo is the roan bull he no longer has.  Obvisly he dosnt care his cattle show it

Actually there have been some nice cows the truth posted at one time I will try and find them.  Useful females with good udder attachments.  I think the basis of my post was that he is a bit of a bully who doesn't take the time to look at the facts other breeders bring to the table yet he keeps saying bring him the facts? Why should we you don't read them! On every message from the truth we see "my name is JODY KABAT>. for those of you who think I hide behind my PC screen name...  I will say what I believe in front 1 person, or a million..  My thoughts are MINE ONLY, and no one can take them away, but they sure can try to persuade me otherwise.  Bring facts in, and I might sway my thoughts!". The truth is that isn't the truth. Jody wants a fight not facts

We had a huge dump of snow (again) but I have a picture that Okotoks took this morning of Neva Baroness she was the only cow not represented in my earlier post.

My tagline is actually geared towards some dumb ass with big "peaches" from a few months ago, after he got on here ranting about how he's not afraid to post his name to follow up his thoughts, instead of "hiding" behind a screen name.  I guess he didn't bother clicking on my profile, where i had my name, email, and everything else that anyone needed to get in contact with/ or find out about me. 

 

[jaimiediamond]

The Red Angus bull isn't worth a darn...  Just because he's in the top 90% of the breed for growth and muscle traits, does that counter act his top 5% BW, calving ease, and milk?  Along with his top 10% IMF? 

That big cow that you posted last, she's not worth a dog terd either... She's about an 1800 lb cow, who's probably a frame score 200.  She did have a knockout heifer calf her first time to the Red Angus bull.  Actually, that's the only RA x dairy type female that we are keeping back for a cow. 

Honestly, we don't have a cow on the place that anybody would like...  Just a bunch of **** eaters that take up space, and wouldnt' be worth a nickel in this current day "seller's market".

Just for everyone else's pleasure... Here's a few pics for  you to spread around and laugh at... 

These are just average ole cows.. but for the heck of it.. I'll go ahead and tell a story about them... .  "Anybody" else would write a book instead. 
1st pic is a purebred Kool dtr (double clean), with her Dr. Feelgood bull calf that we just weaned a few weeks ago.  She's an 07.
2nd pic is a Major League x Lucky Dice  RAx sim heifer pic from a couple years ago.
3rd is a Pharo 5 Star daughter, back to E161...  That's Dr. Feelgood in the background
4th is just a cow.  Nothing in her pedigree worth mentioning...  She is the mother of the black Sept bull calf that we are keeping back to be the new herd bull.  He is a Dr. Feelgood calf.  That is D.F. behind her again.-
Last pic is a the worthless Red Angus bull this winter...  Still as worthless as in the picture posted above, when he was about 16 months old, and running with over 40 heifers. 

You know this is why I can't take you seriously  :-* good luck with whatever your trying to do with cattle