correct on the name telos. the critique's i've gotten on paramount not related to his carrier status are not all that postive, though i remember someone saying to JJN before PHA status was known that he thought they should have used that bull more. There is plenty of semen left on him (paramount) but obviously it won't get used, compared to other carriers who excel at the club calf arena. most of the critique's are related to his not being deep enough and needs more overall heart girth, too many other good fullblood bulls out there. i've got some pictures of the 104N bull. supposedly he's thrown bw's in the 60-70 range in the guy's herd whose been using maine's since around 74. his full brother which also sold in the sale, was not as deep as 104N. also the other bull i was referring to , JJN lucky seven 007P is not tested yet for PHA, though i think they've sent in the samples. he was the fort worth full blood championin 2006. FCF bought him back, or some semen rights and he was also out of one of JJN's favorite full blood cows, FCF amy from which many embryo's were sold in the sale out of cunia, habanero, tecumseh and executive. appreciate your knowledge on the fullbloods. the owner of 104N said he's going down the road after next year, so i'm hoping i can get him tested and or collected before then.