Registration questions.

[kanshow]

Thinking about doing some bulls of different breeds but still trying to keep the calf registered in one or more associations.    How do the different associations work?

I know  Hereford & Angus are closed so the only way to get a registered Hereford or Angus calf is for it to have both parents registered. 

Simmental - 1 registered parent = 1/2 simmi and is registerable.

What about Maines?  Shorthorns?  How low can the percentages go?

Are Red Angus & Charolais closed registrys? 

Any other breeds?

 

[simtal]

technically, you can register simmetals down to an 1/8th

 

[red]

I've just dealt w/ the Maines & Shorthorns.
The Maines very helpful & nice. Turn around time is about 2 weeks for papers. Cattle can be as low as 25%.

I've heard horror stories about the Shorthorns. Not sure if it's any better.

Just once worked w/ the Chi's to get papers from someone else. They were very nice. I think Chi's can be as low as 1/16 but don't quote me.

Red

 

[showsteerdlux]

You can register charolais down to 1/2.
Im pretty sure on Chi's that if either parent was registered chi that the resulting calf can also be registered. In other words it can get pretty low when your not breeding any more chi in but they are still getting registered.

 

[red]

this was interesting. It comes from Cattle.com & is a breakdown of registrations by breeds.

Angus                  347,755                      44.1%
Charolais              74,569                        9.4%
Hereford              69,344                        8.8%
Simmental            52,258                        6.6%
Red Angus          47,064                        6.0%
Limousin              37,742                        4.8%
Gelbvieh              36,222                        4.6%
Brangus                25,097                        3.2%
Shorthorn            19,700                        2.5%
Beefmaster          18,202                        2.3%
Salers                    14,399                        1.8%
Maine-Anjou          12,316                        1.6%
Chianina                  9,270                        1.2%
Brahman                  8,300                        1.1%
Santa Gertrudis      7,500                        0.95%
Corriente                3,575                        0.45%
Braunvieh                3,500                        0.44%
Tarentaise              1,500                        0.19%
Pinzgauer                  664                        0.08%
Piedmontese            179                          0.02%

 

[knabe]

so as a goal, what would maine's have to do to quadriple their registrations, ie, get new customers.  this would still fall short of hereford's and be around simmental's.  interesting that charolais are more than herefords.  so was angus's increase at the sole expense of hereford's?

perhaps jill's link below answers the question.

 

[Jill]

Here is the chart for Maines-Cows, Bulls and Steers all have different rules

The calf must be 1/4 Maine-Anjou or greater as a result of either parent. For steers, the calf must be the offspring of a 1/2 or greater REGISTERED Maine-Anjou bull. Or the calf may be any combination of a registered female and a 1/2 or greater registered Maine-Anjou bull.
   

BULL  FEMALE  = PROGENY
Fullblood  Fullblood  Fullblood
Purebred  Fullblood  Purebred
Fullblood or Purebred  Purebred  Purebred
Fullblood or Purebred  3/4  Purebred
Fullblood or Purebred  5/8  3/4
Fullblood or Purebred  1/2  3/4
Fullblood or Purebred  3/8  3/4
Fullblood or Purebred  1/4  5/8
Fullblood or Purebred  Commercial  1/2
3/4  Fullblood  Purebred
3/4  Purebred  Purebred
3/4  3/4  3/4
3/4  5/8  5/8
3/4  1/2  5/8
3/4  3/8  1/2
3/4  1/4  1/2
3/4  Commercial  3/8
5/8  Fullblood  3/4
5/8  Purebred  3/4  
5/8  3/4  5/8  
5/8  5/8  5/8  
5/8  1/2  1/2  
5/8  3/8  1/2  
5/8  1/4  3/8  
5/8  Commercial  1/4  
1/2  Fullblood  3/4  
1/2  Purebred  3/4  
1/2  3/4  5/8  
1/2  5/8  1/2  
1/2  1/2  1/2
1/2  3/8  3/8
1/2  1/4  3/8
1/2  Commercial  1/4
3/8  Fullblood  3/4
3/8  Purebred  3/4
3/8  3/4  1/2
3/8  5/8  1/2
3/8  1/2  3/8
3/8  3/8  3/8
3/8  1/4  1/4
1/4  Fullblood  5/8
1/4  Purebred  5/8
1/4  3/4  1/2
1/4  5/8  3/8
1/4  1/2  3/8
1/4  3/8  1/4
1/4  1/4  1/4
Commercial  Fullblood  1/2*
Commercial  Purebred  1/2*
Registered Bull of another breed  Fullblood  1/2**
Registered Bull of another breed  Purebred  1/2**
Registered Bull of another breed  3/4  3/8**
Registered Bull of another breed  5/8  1/4**
Registered Bull of another breed  1/2  1/4**
Commercial  3/4  3/8*
Commercial  5/8  1/4*
Commercial  1/2  1/4*

* Applies to females only.
** A registered bull of another breed must sire bulls in this category.
Sire needs to be on file with AMAA.
Females also apply.
Cost to add pedigree of commercial sire is $35.
Commercial dam pedigree cost is $20.
All steers must be out of a registered Maine-Anjou sire and can register as low as ¼ blood.

 

[Dusty]

You can register charolais down to 1/2.
Im pretty sure on Chi's that if either parent was registered chi that the resulting calf can also be registered. In other words it can get pretty low when your not breeding any more chi in but they are still getting registered.

You can register your dog as a Chi if you want to...