Steer Planets Bull Bracket Final Four

[Nasc]

Any Updates or other information about these bulls would be greatly appreciated.

Meyer 734

http://www.cattle.com/semen/bulls/Meyer+734.aspx

Bracket Winner:
North West Bracket (#1 Seed)

Breed:
Simmental

Sire:
Mr. Black GX6W

Dam:
Miss G X728R

Date of Birth:
5/2/1989

Decease/Alive:

Cloned:
No

TH- ?

PHA- ?


Price of Unit:
High was $1000 
Current Genetic Horizons has him listed at $650

Victories in Bull Bracket:
Meyer (62) – New Look 101 (9)
Meyer (66) – Habanero (11)
Meyer (72) – SunSeeker (13)
Meyer (76) -  6807 (22)

Average Votes per match-up
69

Cattle.com Bull Buzz Index #7 Sire
Cattle.com Consensus:
“The ultimate replacement female sire.
If he's not the top maternal sire of all time in the club calf business, he's certainly right there with only a handful of other bulls. His daughters demand high dollars wherever they are sold.”



Cunia

Bracket Winner:
South West Bracket (#2 Seed)

Breed:
Maine Anjou

Sire:
ATAN

Dam:
PETUNIA

Date of Birth:
6/10/1969

Decease/Alive:

Cloned:
No

TH-…?

PHA-…?

Price of Unit:  ?

Victories in Bull Bracket:
Cunia (55) – Monopoly {8}
Cunia (50) – Draft Pick (18)
Cunia (59) – Chill Factor (6)
Cunia (50) – HeatWave (49)

Average Votes per match-up:
53.5

Cattle.com Consensus:
Cattle.com Bull Buzz Index #28 Sire

General Consensus: One of the original “Clubby Bulls” 


Who Made Who

http://www.sekgenetics.com/bull_pg.php?bull=347&breed=3


Bracket Winner:
North East Bracket (#1 Seed)

Breed:
Maine Anjou

Sire:
BIX TAKE CHARGE

Dam:
LSC MISS GLORY 411C

Date of Birth:
4/11/1996

Decease/Alive:

Cloned:
Yes

TH - ?

PHA - ?

Price of Unit:
$20.00

Victories in Bull Bracket:
WMW (67) – Dirty Hairy (7)
WMW (72) – Cigar (5)
WMW (54) – Irish Whiskey (26)
WMW (67) – Sonny (39)

Average Votes per match-up
65

Cattle.com Bull Buzz Index #5 Sire
Cattle.com Consensus:
“The Sire of The Most State Fair Steer Show Winners in History
While his popularity for producing show steers isn't nearly what it was in the early part of this decade, he has begun to develop a reputation for producing great replacement females.”


HeatSeaker

http://www.topsires.com/bull-pages/heatseeker.html


Bracket Winner:
South East Bracket (#1 Seed)

Breed:
Maine Anjou

Sire:
DE BULL CAX

Dam:
BC TEX SHORTHORN 23

Date of Birth:
3/6/1997

Decease/Alive:

Cloned:
No

TH- Positive

PHA- ?


Price of Unit:
Cattle Visions has him listed at $100

Victories in Bull Bracket:
HeatSeaker (56) – Saugahatchee (16)
HeatSeaker (55) – Power Plant (14)
HeatSeaker (47) – OCC Emblazon (12)
HeatSeaker (56) – Northern Improvement (39)

Average Votes per match-up
53.5

Cattle.com Consensus:
Cattle.com Bull Buzz Index #6 Sire
While Heatseeker has been dead for a few years now, he still has a strong following and ranks right up there with the top five bulls of all time for show calves. His offspring have given him a reputation as a sire of sires with many of the top bulls on the market carrying his genetics.

 

[farmboy]

i think we know who is going to win....

 

[MYT Farms]

Thanks for the hard work and letting Steer Planet know what bulls we like!

 

[BCCC]

i think we know who is going to win....

Who do you think??

 

[farmboy]

i think we know who is going to win....

Who do you think??

Not who

(lol)

 

[JbarL]

thanks again nasc.... jbarl

 

[Dusty]

i think we know who is going to win....

Who do you think??

Not who

(lol)

Why not Who?? There's not a bull in the final 4 that has sired steers and females like Who has.  Who steers dominated in their day and a good Who cow is a good cow regardless if she ever gets a straw of clubby semen in her.  They milk good and are just plain good cows, and he doesn't have cow killer BW either, which is kinda nice.

 

[CM Cattle]

I absolutely agree with dusty!!!

 

[CJB]

I've got to agree with Dusty as well.  A good Who steer is real hard to get around at a show.  All of the WMW females I've been around have been good females.  Great uddered, raise a big calf, rebreed quickly. Have noticed a real attitude problem with them though.  Even with all of these good qualities, I know that he won't be getting my final vote...

 

[Throttle]

i think we know who is going to win....

Who do you think??

Not who

(lol)

Why not Who?? There's not a bull in the final 4 that has sired steers and females like Who has.  Who steers dominated in their day and a good Who cow is a good cow regardless if she ever gets a straw of clubby semen in her.  They milk good and are just plain good cows, and he doesn't have cow killer BW either, which is kinda nice.

No Why is on 2nd. Who's on 1st! LOL

WMW steers never dominated, ever. There was only one year for WMW before Heatseeker came along then it was a two horse race (with WMW in 2nd by at least a length or two) until HW came along, then WMW faded pretty fast. I could see Heatseeker winning this thing before WMW. I was in IA, NE, and SD almost 3 weeks in the late summer/fall of 2000. I walked away from that trip saying I will never use WMW again. The big outfits out there had 10 pukes for every 1 they sold for $5000 or over. There were some flat great ones in the show ring for a couple of years there, no doubt, but Heatseeker was doing the same thing at the same time (only with less use the first few years). The real travesty here is that HW didn't make it through. He is the most dominate sire ever, for club calves, and I don't think anyone can dispute that. As for WMW as a great maternal sire, I'm sure there are some great WMW cows out there, I've even got one that works pretty good. Consider this though. How many old washed up sires would be regarded as great maternal club calf genetics if guys started using them on real sound, maternal, angus based (or SimAngus, MaineAngus, etc) cows and then breeding their offspring to HW (and his best sons)? IMO, that's what has happened with WMW. Ppl realized that is takes a real soggy maternal SOUND cow to make him work, and that the resulting daughters work great when bred to the best clubby bull ever. There are dozens of bulls that could make a great name for themselves in that scenario.

Go Meyer!

 

[Dusty]

No Why is on 2nd. Who's on 1st! LOL

WMW steers never dominated, ever. There was only one year for WMW before Heatseeker came along then it was a two horse race (with WMW in 2nd by at least a length or two) until HW came along, then WMW faded pretty fast. I could see Heatseeker winning this thing before WMW. I was in IA, NE, and SD almost 3 weeks in the late summer/fall of 2000. I walked away from that trip saying I will never use WMW again. The big outfits out there had 10 pukes for every 1 they sold for $5000 or over. There were some flat great ones in the show ring for a couple of years there, no doubt, but Heatseeker was doing the same thing at the same time (only with less use the first few years). The real travesty here is that HW didn't make it through. He is the most dominate sire ever, for club calves, and I don't think anyone can dispute that. As for WMW as a great maternal sire, I'm sure there are some great WMW cows out there, I've even got one that works pretty good. Consider this though. How many old washed up sires would be regarded as great maternal club calf genetics if guys started using them on real sound, maternal, angus based (or SimAngus, MaineAngus, etc) cows and then breeding their offspring to HW (and his best sons)? IMO, that's what has happened with WMW. Ppl realized that is takes a real soggy maternal SOUND cow to make him work, and that the resulting daughters work great when bred to the best clubby bull ever. There are dozens of bulls that could make a great name for themselves in that scenario.

Go Meyer!

I have agree on HW, I got tired of making up users to vote for him in the last round to try and get him through...LOL  I think HW daughters will be an asset too, but mostly in the donor pen as a terminal cross.  Heatseeker did come along a throw WMW off the top perch for a brief while, until HW.  However there were a couple years there where WMW calves won more big steer shows, market heifer shows and breeding heifer shows.  He was probably the most versatile clubby bull there was in his time.  He did throw some knotheads though I will give you that.  What clubby bull doesn't though.  A dead HW cuz of either BW or TH is just as good as a crippled Who.  The only difference is you had to shoot the latter.  I guess we'll see.  Meyer is a good bull, but when his semen is 1000 a straw you can bet he is going to get used on a handful of the best females in the country, of course he is going to have awesome daughters then. 

 

[bcosu]

good point about the birthweights and cripples. my opinion on that is kill the calf or kill the calf and the cow. heatwave is good don't get me wrong but i never feel like he sires heifers that look like heifers. i think who does a good job of being able to sire whatever people need.
i like cunia in second though because he has had such a huge impact on the show cattle in general. there are people i know who would still use cunia today if they had semen.

 

[itk]

Cunia has not only had a big impact on foundation maines and clubbies but also the shorthorn breed that is why he is getting my vote. Not many animals have had that much of a positive effect on more then one breed.

 

[Steered]

"  I think HW daughters will be an asset too, but mostly in the donor pen as a terminal cross. "

I have a hard time understanding that one.  HW daughters will be an asset just because they can produce eggs?  If they can't deliver the calf and raise it on their own I don't think they should be considered an asset.  Now I know that some of them can do this but I think as a general rule the HW daughters are not thought of as the best mother cows. 

 

[farmboy]

im torn as who to pick. i know for sure which two it is though.  who vs 734

gonna have to flip a coin on this one...

 

[Dusty]

"  I think HW daughters will be an asset too, but mostly in the donor pen as a terminal cross. "

I have a hard time understanding that one.  HW daughters will be an asset just because they can produce eggs?  If they can't deliver the calf and raise it on their own I don't think they should be considered an asset.  Now I know that some of them can do this but I think as a general rule the HW daughters are not thought of as the best mother cows. 

I didn't say mother cows.  Most HW females couldn't raise a baby lamb let alone a calf.  But in the steer deal a lot of people are going to flushing a few donors and putting in a lot of eggs to maximize their good calves as well as the fact the most of the time the good steer producers don't milk so they have to flush them if they want calves out of them..  And with the BW of some of these good steer lines you don't wanna have to cut or winch one out of your good cow so you put it in a recip...  Kinda sad, but thats the way its going from what I've seen.

 

[shortdawg]

I really thought Heatwave would win the whole thing. I'm kind of surprised Heatseeker made it and he didn't.