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JbarL said:
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If the democrats wanted to win this election all they had to do was run a white male. Any white male at all, that's how tired most of America is of the current presidency. The democratic party is truly in sad shape when they can't turn out at winning candidate under the current government conditions.

so what you really mean is "  the democratic party is truly in sad shape when they can't turn out a "white male"  candidate under the current government conditions".
ii always thought the democratic nomonie was chosen by voting, and gathering each states delegates for a majority....hum...sure seems like alot of wasted money having all those elections when all they had to do was " apoint us a white man to vote for, like the republicans did"....the democrates and all there silly notions are doomed for sure now.....     jbarl

We have had over 200 years of white male presidents and IMO the country is still not ready to elect a female or person of color to the presidency. Especially a person of color who has a name very similar to the number 1 enemy of the USA. I just feel that the democratic party is out of touch with population if they think enough people will vote for a woman or a black man named Obama to get them elected president. Hillary and Obama are hip cool choices for tv ratings and getting support from actors but both choices are to extreme for most average citizens.
 

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My thinking Obama is scary has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact he is black (and he actually isn't anymore black than he is white just so we get that cleared up), I don't find Colin Powell scary.  I do however find someone with the name Obama with a Muslim background, we know very little about the man and what seems to be to me a total disrespect for the flag, military, working class etc.  THAT is what I find scary.
 

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ELBEE said:
The only thing, politically, that scares me is breaking allegiance with Israel!
israel needs no allegiance with any "country"....it is protected by god.....they is no mention of "amercia",  or "americans", or israels need  to alley itsself with any "country"  in the bilble...there are only jews and gentiles.....sin and salvation.....faith in god......period....no democrate or republican or independent is going to change that........jbarl
 

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Jill said:
My thinking Obama is scary has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact he is black (and he actually isn't anymore black than he is white just so we get that cleared up), I don't find Colin Powell scary.  I do however find someone with the name Obama with a Muslim background, we know very little about the man and what seems to be to me a total disrespect for the flag, military, working class etc.  THAT is what I find scary.

Exactly!
 

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I will be casting my vote for McCain.  I agree that this country needs some change, but I don't think we are ready for that much change...oh and just where is the money coming from backing Obama?  if it is not lobiests. with his muslim background...it makes me wonder if that is not where it is coming from...just a thought.  I personally hope that McCain picks Romney as his running mate because we need to get this economy back in shape...
 

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I was glad to see someone bring up Alfred E. Newman.  It reminded me of my all time favorite political poster from an old MAD magazine.  The poster was a large picture of Alfred E. Newman with the line "Vote for Alfred E. Newman for President.  You could do worse.....and you always have."  It goes to show you that even in the late 60s people weren't always enamored with the choices for president.  I will have to say I am presently favoring McCain.  Even if I agreed with Obama's policies, if he really has any or knows what they are, I don't understand how a person with less experience running anything than I have thinks he's qualified to be President of the United States.  His entire campaign reminds me of the old song 'Don't worry, be happy.'  I find it very interesting that Ronald Reagan is now considered one of the all time great presidents, but when he was in office, the opposition labeled his policies, especially trickle-down 'Reganomics', as the ruination of the country and the media sometimes portrayed him as a buffoon. 
 

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JbarL said:
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The only thing, politically, that scares me is breaking allegiance with Israel!
israel needs no allegiance with any "country"....it is protected by god.....they is no mention of "amercia",  or "americans", or israels need  to alley itsself with any "country"  in the bilble...there are only jews and gentiles.....sin and salvation.....faith in god......period....no democrate or republican or independent is going to change that........jbarl

Amen!

God help any candidate that doesn't understand that. Plenty of "mention" in the Bible about those who oppress Israel!
 

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.it makes me wonder if that is not where it is coming from...

his top ten donors are financial institutions, the university of CA, and one of the owners of CBS son's.  doesn't sound like much change to me.  this is money around 400,000 to 500,000 each with the money pooled.  nothing ever changes.  got to get the financial institutions on board and guarantee them those yearly bonuses after taxes if you are going to get them on board.  what a joke.  meet the new boss, same as the old boss (the who)
 

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I will prolly vote for McCain mainly because I am scared of Obama because he has no agriculture experience at all and does not know how to help us farmers beside tax us abunch.
 

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this has got to be one of the best analysis' of america i've seen ni a while


    What to do when the public no longer serves the interest of the State?

    Replace the public. 

    Makes sense when our Congress gets reelected more than 90% of the time.


(ie through legal immigration, about 1 million/year, illegal immigration and subsequent amensty.  you can bet that a higher majority than the existing slight majority will support an increase in the size of the state, and this will result in even more populism, to the point that it will become policy to tax one's self into prosperity)  America had the good sense to reach a stable population, but that doesn't serve the government and the pyramid scheme of social security, medicare, benefits to government employees ad infinitum.  how could any majority of government not be for the democratic party when they can so easily a: give themselves a raise, b: give themselves benefits, c: give themselves job security, and d: job security through ever expanding legislation and regulation

Makes sense when our Congress gets reelected more than 90% of the time.

the approximate ratio of government to private sector workers is roughly 50:50.  only obama can unite us through change by eliminating capitalism.  to me, this change simply means weaning capitalism from collectivism and giving them (capitalism) no where to go.  i know this to be fact as all the financial institutions are hedging their bets as usual by donating heavily to obama and mccain.  to me, this simply means they have no principles to stand on, just like the president of countrywide, who has given friends of countrywide below market rate loans to sitting democratic congressmen, even one's who ran for president.  to me, this is just as sleazy as that dork abramoff, who slept with both repubs and democrats.  neither party represents the people anymore.  this is why i don't vote for either party.  if i don't have a choice, i write in myself.

this country is the opposite of what used to be.  just like we give habeus corpus to terrorists, but use foreign laws to govern US citizens.  there really is no more america.  another example, don't drill for oil and then sue the saudi's for not increasing supply.  did i mention i can't stand either party?

obama nor mccain has ever made a payroll on income they generated themselves through entrepenuership on a scale necessary to notice how hard it is to start a business.  i just can't fathom why america is reducing itself to rubble, mostly over issues that should be the domain of the states.
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here's some more on obama

The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion.

The 2007 version of FOCA proposed: "It is the policy of the United States that every woman has the fundamental right to choose to bear a child, to terminate a pregnancy prior to fetal viability, or to terminate a pregnancy after fetal viability when necessary to protect the life or health of the woman."

Obama made his remarks in a question-and-answer session after delivering a speech crystallizing for abortion advocates his deep-seated abortion philosophy and his belief that federal legislation will break pro-life resistance and end the national debate on abortion. (see transcript: http://lauraetch.googlepages.com/barackobamabeforeplannedpar...)

"I am absolutely convinced that culture wars are so nineties; their days are growing dark, it is time to turn the page," Obama said in July. "We want a new day here in America. We're tired about arguing about the same ole' stuff. And I am convinced we can win that argument."

culture wars are so 90's.  i guess that means change and that he doesn't do the changing.  typical hypocrite.  typical lack of comprimise.  when he says he can unite the country (which it never has been, even during the revolutionary war and wwii, which FDR lied to the public about setting up a spy agency for britain and said we wouldn't get in the war), what obama really means is the elimination of the side of the debate that he doesn't agree with.  typical.  i thought they wanted diversity, but the only thing they want is homogeneity.  be scared. 

perhaps what obama should push for is the elimination of states rights.  that's change isn't it?
 

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Idiot Quote of the Century

'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.  I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

- Barack Obama


Jill, I agree with your post also.
 

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Scariest sentence in the world. "We're from the government and we're here to help".
scariest sentence in the world. " we're from the "american" government and we're here to help"....some governments seem to be standing the test of times...ie  norway, switzerland, austrialia, new zealand, even france and canada....all democracies by "amercian" standards............and all of them  have several common denomators....we seem to simply have replaced the basics of democracy for the basics of "world power".....an even trade in present admistrative politics....a rediculious notion to the democries we "helped form"  years ago......we seem to have become a  do as i say........not as i do  example of democracy.......i'm  sure our past generations would be proud of the lives we have created for the fore   mentioned countries after the wars of our past, ........  jbarl
 

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JbarL - not to argue but just some interesting facts about those "standing the test of time." Norway, uh what have they contributed to the world the Oslo accords, there's a winner. After that high taxes, no immigration and the nanny is the government. Switzerland never stands for anything but did they ever giver back the gold from holocaust Jews? Australia is probably a great example of low taxes and keeping only to regional struggles. New Zealand gave us the set for "Lord of the Ring." France has financed and armed more of our enemies than any other democracy until their right turn. Now it's amazing they are becoming our friend wonder why?

Not to say we are perfect. But we, the USA, sure need to find our purpose in the world.
Just my opinion.
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sd.....i assert that they are not "immune" to the tests of the "times"....but seems there citizens dont seem as critically/ mortality wounded  by todays economy.......norway produces its own power with hydro electric power so effieciently  that it is one of the worlds largest makers of ferro alloys.......france didnt finace or give anymore weapons/technogly/intellegence than george bush sr/ ronald regan and ollie north ....you remember iran contra dont you?.....all of the fore mentioned "democries" that our ansestors help establish have an across the board health care system....and all the fore mentioned democricies still pray in thery school systems......they all have an effective immigreation  policy.....how much " education debt" do you think a veternarian or a doctor carry on there backs the day they graduate as a resident of these countries?  .....do you think beef/sheep/ and food  producers in new zeland paid  900.00 a ton for ferterlizer this year?....."one nation under god"....."with liberty and justice for all".......we seem to have decied to govern/ and or legislate  our rights.......others we helped in the past attain democracy.....seem to practice it, ..........these countries decided, ....as a democracy.... not to commit its citizens economy to the iraq war....they simply coudnt afford it....or the billions it will take to establish an "amercian militayr base and embassy".........in the middle east......our governement decided we could "not" afford not to......attacking and occupying a country that had no air force...no navy....a rag tag army... and all its citizens wanting saddams head on a stick.....seemed llike a walk in the park at the time....or atl least that seems to be how it was presented to us.....but these other democracies that decided not to monatarily participate did so according to the democratic rights our ansestors helped them to establish......maybe we should pay attention to how other democracies are dealing with the economic times of the day.....and the priorties they have chosen ...as a democratic nation.....to address there citizens "immediate" needs and the future needs they will face.....no doubt this has created a more modest lifestyle for the residents of these democricies compared to the united states and our "high good time livin" we seem so important to retain........we seem to be struggling with our democracy more than any of the fore mentioned "liberated democracies" our ansestors fought to establish........and as the last 6 yrs  of war in iraq have passed ...and.these other democracies seemed to have surpassed us in the " life , liberty and justice for all"  direction of the basics of a democracy.....maybe democracy simply has a shelf life.....i guess we'll just have to wait 60 yrs and find out if  the liberated democratic nations we helped establish with the wars of our past  end up  going  stale as well......jbarl
 

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You're right we need a better educated citizenry. Informed free people will spur a country on to greater prosperity. It's time to ditch "No Child Left Behind" for "No Child Left Unchallenged!"
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Free thinkers could also be called "Patriots"! Oops, no socialist dictator wants any of those around. Arrest them all, off with their heads! 
 

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JbarL said:
maybe democracy simply has a shelf life.

this is a well known FACT.  it ends when the populace figures out it can vote itself money.  then, back to anarchy, fuedalism, dictatorship/kings, democracy, rinse repeat.

remember, when the public no longer serves the state, the public will either be eliminated or replaced.  most people are too scared/uninterested, to deal with the state.

my biggest eyeopener was that the jury is not required to follow a judge's instructions.  essentially, the public put the judge there and can tell the judge to bite it.  the public has ultimate authority.  doesn't seem that way with recent supreme court decisions, but it's true.  as DL's tag line says,  we are the enemy.
 
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