Starting a new Shorthorn Association for Cattle Breeders
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RyanChandler
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Show stopper 95 said:
Let make something very clear- with the exception of a few of the 'most coveted' SH donors in the breed, I can go write a check right now for any damn cow I want. For you to suggest that I don't have the means to compete is just asinine. I buy the type of cows I have because I feel they are the best the breed currently has to offer. I bought Vanguard because I feel he is the best Shorthorn bull offered in the last three years. I value cattle in terms of functional beef cattle characteristics; not by what some 4h judge deems the 'coolest' or the 'freakiest.' Any trait that doesn't directly translate to production is of no value to me- regardless of the premium commotion and promotion place on it. Try to convince the likes of Barry Jordan, Les Mathers, Jungles, Marty Loving, or Keith Lauer - try to convince any of these BREEDERS that their cattle are somehow inferior to the Sullivan, Cates, or CYT cattle just because they aren't 'competing' or winning shows. At this point, the joke will be on you. You see, the genetics the latter group PLAYS with can't hold a candle to the prior's in terms of production. 'Phenotypical merit,' as you've put it, is only one, among many, aspect involved in breeding functional cattle and, like a typical 4her, your inability to distinguish genetic superiority from intervention leaves you with a false sense of...well, cattle sense.
I have no interest in producing 'red only.' If I did, I'd be breeding Red Poll cattle. But I'm not. I purchased a roan bull to continue to assert Shorthorn breed character in my herd.aj said:
Bradenh
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I didn't say anything about means anywhere in my post, but I do know dang good and well you can't raise one good enough (thumbsup)
And your world renowned for throwing other breeders names out there for this and that, but never have I seen or heard anything outstanding from xbar- so why throw a million names in the pot- the only stock you should be speaking for is yours- if your not notable enough to be the only comparison needed in a post
Well then your not notable enough
Talk about everyone else's production- I could care less I want to know about yours. If there is enough there worth speaking of. You voluntarily live in the shadows of the successful. That's not generally the way to go
Not in 4h either, in FFA- something you should have focused more on in highschool so maybe you'd have some leadership and patience about yourself instead of attacking anyone who disagrees with you
And your world renowned for throwing other breeders names out there for this and that, but never have I seen or heard anything outstanding from xbar- so why throw a million names in the pot- the only stock you should be speaking for is yours- if your not notable enough to be the only comparison needed in a post
Well then your not notable enough
Talk about everyone else's production- I could care less I want to know about yours. If there is enough there worth speaking of. You voluntarily live in the shadows of the successful. That's not generally the way to go
Not in 4h either, in FFA- something you should have focused more on in highschool so maybe you'd have some leadership and patience about yourself instead of attacking anyone who disagrees with you
RyanChandler
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Silly kid, I bought my first reg SH heifers less than 3 years ago. Clearly, one doesn't have 'genetics' after 1 calf crop. I speak of the other breeders as their genetics are the foundation of my herd. To speak of them as my own would be fraudulent. A breeding program isn't established in a few years. You should know this, it takes time. And while I'm holding an investment meeting with Behringer Harvard Monday morning, I'll be sure to take a moment to reflect on the leadership and patience acquired in high school FFA. Without it, I just don't know where I'd be... (lol) spare.
Bradenh
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I can tell them where you would be
You'd be a 27 year old hypocrite who spends his days arguing with "silly" kids on an online show cattle forum because your so tired of everyone else writing you off as a joke, the last resort is proving yourself to highschool America
And you still fail at it (thumbsup)
So I know exactly where you would be! Glad I could assist you
You'd be a 27 year old hypocrite who spends his days arguing with "silly" kids on an online show cattle forum because your so tired of everyone else writing you off as a joke, the last resort is proving yourself to highschool America
And you still fail at it (thumbsup)
So I know exactly where you would be! Glad I could assist you
RyanChandler
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No, no you cant tell them. You see, Iola FFAers w/ 2 cows are in no position to tell them anything.
You boast yourself as, "show stopper.' I'm curious as to what show you're referring to. Or is that just the persona you like to display online?
Last you told me- and I quote: "And I say I haven't won like I've been last all my life- I mean we have never even come close to winning a major show."
Again, where does the credibility come from to substantiate your claims?
You boast yourself as, "show stopper.' I'm curious as to what show you're referring to. Or is that just the persona you like to display online?
Last you told me- and I quote: "And I say I haven't won like I've been last all my life- I mean we have never even come close to winning a major show."
Again, where does the credibility come from to substantiate your claims?
knabe
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Sort of like world champion.
RyanChandler
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Sort of like 'knabe'
bart
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Xbar I assure you showstopper has feed penned worked sorted alot of cattle in his young life.
That kid is from a 6 generation working ranch.
I know for a fact last year he was in the top five at the texas majors with heifers. His family also won the gert show at several Texas majors over the years? You can look it up for yourself. The facts are there! And you have owed shorthorns for 3 years please tell me what knowledge you have for the breed. I am pretty sure showstopper has a few shorthorns that he has owed longer than 3 years. These are facts i would invite you to drive down to Iola and look around at a working cattle ranch. Take a look at the pic to the left pretty sure they don't hand out those type buckles to last place!
That kid is from a 6 generation working ranch.
I know for a fact last year he was in the top five at the texas majors with heifers. His family also won the gert show at several Texas majors over the years? You can look it up for yourself. The facts are there! And you have owed shorthorns for 3 years please tell me what knowledge you have for the breed. I am pretty sure showstopper has a few shorthorns that he has owed longer than 3 years. These are facts i would invite you to drive down to Iola and look around at a working cattle ranch. Take a look at the pic to the left pretty sure they don't hand out those type buckles to last place!
Bradenh
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Once again your mistaken, 2 cows is sadly low for the amount of cattle I have in my name
And we have never WON a Texas major, I may be wrong but there's alot of people far more successful than you that have never won a major show, I have also never stood last, ever, in my life, we were second at San Antonio and ft worth and 4th at Houston
What room do you have to talk in the first place, you go by a screen name that's a street term for xanex? So lets not talk about screen names lol
And Atleast I have the confidence in my cattle to air them out without having to blame a judge or anyone else, your too scared to put them on a halter because you know for sure you won't be stopping any shows
So put your money where your mouth is since all you want to talk about is "means" and stack your cattle up with someone else's before you question my results at major level shows (thumbsup)
But after you run home from ft worth beat like a drum it will be the judges fault I'm sure
And we have never WON a Texas major, I may be wrong but there's alot of people far more successful than you that have never won a major show, I have also never stood last, ever, in my life, we were second at San Antonio and ft worth and 4th at Houston
What room do you have to talk in the first place, you go by a screen name that's a street term for xanex? So lets not talk about screen names lol
And Atleast I have the confidence in my cattle to air them out without having to blame a judge or anyone else, your too scared to put them on a halter because you know for sure you won't be stopping any shows
So put your money where your mouth is since all you want to talk about is "means" and stack your cattle up with someone else's before you question my results at major level shows (thumbsup)
But after you run home from ft worth beat like a drum it will be the judges fault I'm sure
knabe
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-XBAR- said:
Harsh.
Bradenh
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We are all just silly Freddy 4h'er kids <beer>
Mr show cattle forum, anti show cattle will save us all
Mr show cattle forum, anti show cattle will save us all
knabe
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doc-sun said:
what is one before they are an xpert, a pert?
what is one before they are a pert, a prevert?
RyanChandler
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bart said:
I can only go on what he says. What his 'family' has done is completely irrelevant. Once he gets a job, buys cows, and THEN wins these shows let me know.
And here's you a little (sub)cultural knowledge, kid. MDMA is known as X, or what you young bucks like to call Molly. Bars or blues -as named by the 4 bars on the blue pill- is slang for xanex.
-XBAR- ,on the other hand, was my great grandpas brand he registered in Kansas and New Mexico in the 19teens. Both him and my grandpa were pioneers in 'bringing in' Fullblood Chars via Mexico in the 40s and then later legitimately importing French Fullbloods in the 60s.
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knabe
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so how will we measure your credibility?
board president?
winning shows?
semen sales?
commercial bull sales?
packer acceptance of roan cattle?
world championships?
number of generations with your prefix in your cattle?
a mostly closed herd?
it's pretty clear you know how to measure everyone but yourself.
do you drive a ferrari?
you are too cool for yourself.
board president?
winning shows?
semen sales?
commercial bull sales?
packer acceptance of roan cattle?
world championships?
number of generations with your prefix in your cattle?
a mostly closed herd?
it's pretty clear you know how to measure everyone but yourself.
do you drive a ferrari?
you are too cool for yourself.
Bradenh
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I say that because my step mother is a lawyer and xbar is street for xanex I don't care what you say, typical denial/change up that most medicinal addicts use as a scapegoat
Thank you for posting the quote ironic that it is exactly what I said before
How can you say what family has done is irrelevant, yet use other breeders who are no kin to you and feel that is a more relevant example?
Also who are you to talk about me buying cows and winning shows when you still haven't won a show yourself, not even a county show
And don't post telling me about your great grandparents cattle, family is irrelevant right, when you start buying cattle and winning shows ill care
After you JUST said family was irrelevant, you post about yours?
^the hypocritical nature I was trying to point out earlier
Thank you for posting the quote ironic that it is exactly what I said before
How can you say what family has done is irrelevant, yet use other breeders who are no kin to you and feel that is a more relevant example?
Also who are you to talk about me buying cows and winning shows when you still haven't won a show yourself, not even a county show
And don't post telling me about your great grandparents cattle, family is irrelevant right, when you start buying cattle and winning shows ill care
After you JUST said family was irrelevant, you post about yours?
^the hypocritical nature I was trying to point out earlier
Bradenh
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And for the record
I didn't need to go "buy" anything
The female in Bart's profile picture was bred and owned raised by me, she was champion Santa Gertrudis In 88 of 112 rings,
And that is sanctioned and documented
No family involved, no"means" or money involved, no investors, and no copy cat wanna-be-somebody-else's-program to get her on the ground, bred and owned, xanex
Where's your bred and owned cattle at? Ms 27 year old real world cattle woman
I didn't need to go "buy" anything
The female in Bart's profile picture was bred and owned raised by me, she was champion Santa Gertrudis In 88 of 112 rings,
And that is sanctioned and documented
No family involved, no"means" or money involved, no investors, and no copy cat wanna-be-somebody-else's-program to get her on the ground, bred and owned, xanex
Where's your bred and owned cattle at? Ms 27 year old real world cattle woman
RyanChandler
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knabe said:
Same ways any BREEDER is measured.
Kid,
The breeders, as opposed to your family, are relevant. Through SELECTION I chose their genetics as the foundation of my herd. XBAR was my ggpa's brand. Only reason it was brought up.
Come to think about it, I don't know of any master breeders that show cattle. Tom Lasater win any shows? How bout Jim Lent? Or Larry Leonhardt? I didn't think so. All their cattle must be inferior :
