jason
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Time to move forward.
VOTE obama OUT !
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rackranch
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But whats ahead of us??
Jason said:
What does that really mean? Forward with one party's ideas and if we don't agree fundamentally with what they are doing then it is our fault there is gridlock? Compromise is a two way street and I don't see a lot of that going on in the next 4 years....if we make it that far.Jason said:
Prayer has never been more important.
jason
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iowabeef said:
Not trying to be cryptic, but let me clarify because I guess it can be taken a few different ways. My views aligned with Romney, he didn't win - time to move forward. I don't begrudge anyone for voting the way they did, especially on here where I believe most people were educated about their decision.
jason
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I do think the Republican party is going to have to make some fundamental changes going forward. The demographics of the US is changing and the society is moving more toward liberal thinking.
Bulldaddy
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Like Rush Limbaugh says "Romney lost the election because noboday can beat Santa Claus." lol
Jason you are WAY off on two things. One is that people made educated decisions, that is simply not plausible. No one educated to what this administration has done,and is willing to do, could have voted for Obama. No one would educated on the issues and actions of this administration would be for $10 a gallon gas like they publicly say they are, yet one Obama apologist had "never heard of energy policies that would suggest the administration is for $10 a gallon gasoline." Uneducated, uninformed.
Two you state that the republican party needs to make fundamental changes going forward and that the demographics of the US is changing and getting more liberal thinking. I would contend that the liberal thinking is what needs to fundamentally change. Do you see what has happened in Europe with these idea? Is that how YOU want to live your life? If you look at county maps in states like OH and PA you will see that obama carried those states yet won only a very, very few counties. That means that people who live in cities are imposing their will on those who don't. Would you suggest that the Republican party fundamentally change in order to represent those people and not you? What needs to happen is more people need to be more politically engaged. There are still lots of people that are doing just fine. They are insulated from this. I had a friend and well known breeder in IA (who's wife posts here) call me for a recommendation on a kid looking for a job. He told me he was happy to hear on the news that the housing market here had turned around and was going well. That was his version of reality. When more people begin to feel the financial impact of the policies of this administration, like lower wages, losing more jobs, gas prices through the roof, food cost being higher because of transportation costs and regulations, the mandate for 36 billion gallons of Ethanol to be consumed, maybe then people will become engaged in the erosion of their society.
A more likely scenario will be that the 47% who don't pay taxes will become 55% in the next four years and a significant portion of these will continue to vote for government to take care of them. When that momentum begins, it's over. The US will no longer exist as we know it.
Two you state that the republican party needs to make fundamental changes going forward and that the demographics of the US is changing and getting more liberal thinking. I would contend that the liberal thinking is what needs to fundamentally change. Do you see what has happened in Europe with these idea? Is that how YOU want to live your life? If you look at county maps in states like OH and PA you will see that obama carried those states yet won only a very, very few counties. That means that people who live in cities are imposing their will on those who don't. Would you suggest that the Republican party fundamentally change in order to represent those people and not you? What needs to happen is more people need to be more politically engaged. There are still lots of people that are doing just fine. They are insulated from this. I had a friend and well known breeder in IA (who's wife posts here) call me for a recommendation on a kid looking for a job. He told me he was happy to hear on the news that the housing market here had turned around and was going well. That was his version of reality. When more people begin to feel the financial impact of the policies of this administration, like lower wages, losing more jobs, gas prices through the roof, food cost being higher because of transportation costs and regulations, the mandate for 36 billion gallons of Ethanol to be consumed, maybe then people will become engaged in the erosion of their society.
A more likely scenario will be that the 47% who don't pay taxes will become 55% in the next four years and a significant portion of these will continue to vote for government to take care of them. When that momentum begins, it's over. The US will no longer exist as we know it.
PLKR said:
I agree with that. But it's my view that the people in those states are responsible for more than voting. If they don't have the passion to care enough about their country to work and convince others then I don't have the passion to buy from them or send people to them. The resident moron mentioned something incoherent about the quality of cattle in those two states. There are LOTS of good cattle in LOTS of places. There were really only a very few people that could have decided this election. People in those states are among them. It's my view that they didn't take this task seriously enough to change the outcome.
herfman
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I am thinking about heading to Canada seeing how they can't be any worse off then we are now. I think that Obama won because of three things. 1 he supports lazy people that do nothing, 2 he is all about free birth control, and 3 he supports gay marriage. I guess the way i was raised to work for what you want and don't take something thats not your is way out dated. Also when i was in high school there was 20 girls with kids or pregnant and two of them were in middle school. I don't think we should give it to them that if they want to have sex they should pay for it.
My wife was irritated at me last night because I was so mad that Obama won. I wasn't particularly sociable.
I can't stand Rush, but that's a pretty good line with a lot of underlying truth.
However, with any problem its almost always a mistake to just blame the "other guy". Republicans are seen as the party of corporate America by city dwellers. Although those people work for those corporations, they are really sick and tired of the bonuses/corporate greed, etc. They are sick of jobs being sent overseas. On the other hand, those are the same people that go shop at WalMart to save every penny they can. It's all one big nasty cycle and probably impossible to break.
Although mosty city dwellers don't realize it, the Republican party has large come to represent rural America. Someone living and raising a family inside a 800 sf house, going to work in factory/office, and never being outside just can't comprehend the reality of living where most of us do and the challenges that go along with it. On the other hand, we really don't appreciate the hopelessness of going to that job everyday, back to your 800 sf house, and barely making ends meet while you watch the white collar guys make salaries/bonuses of hundreds of thousands or more. Frankly, we don't appreciate how good we've got it if we have the time and money to blow on things as foolish in the grand scheme of things as show cattle.
Face it folks, city dwellers outnumber us. Those people are going to vote democratic, particularly on the coasts and in the rust belt. Most really don't have the luxury of worrying about 10 years from now. They are trying to get through the next day. The Republican Party is going to have to show a little empathy to get some of those votes back if they want to win a national election any time soon.
I can't stand Rush, but that's a pretty good line with a lot of underlying truth.
However, with any problem its almost always a mistake to just blame the "other guy". Republicans are seen as the party of corporate America by city dwellers. Although those people work for those corporations, they are really sick and tired of the bonuses/corporate greed, etc. They are sick of jobs being sent overseas. On the other hand, those are the same people that go shop at WalMart to save every penny they can. It's all one big nasty cycle and probably impossible to break.
Although mosty city dwellers don't realize it, the Republican party has large come to represent rural America. Someone living and raising a family inside a 800 sf house, going to work in factory/office, and never being outside just can't comprehend the reality of living where most of us do and the challenges that go along with it. On the other hand, we really don't appreciate the hopelessness of going to that job everyday, back to your 800 sf house, and barely making ends meet while you watch the white collar guys make salaries/bonuses of hundreds of thousands or more. Frankly, we don't appreciate how good we've got it if we have the time and money to blow on things as foolish in the grand scheme of things as show cattle.
Face it folks, city dwellers outnumber us. Those people are going to vote democratic, particularly on the coasts and in the rust belt. Most really don't have the luxury of worrying about 10 years from now. They are trying to get through the next day. The Republican Party is going to have to show a little empathy to get some of those votes back if they want to win a national election any time soon.
Gargan
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if yall do cecede, can u help me find a farm? cause i will be texas bound. i dont like the way this country is heading!! <beer>DBL J1 said:
Gargan
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Jason said:
Jason, i do not see the republican party being able to get a president voted in from here on out (sad but true). you are rite that the american society, especially 25 and younger, is way to the left. in 20 yrs, the republican party (as is) will not be any more popular than the independent party is now. I hate to see the republican party change, but who knows where we go from here.
DLD said:
The genius of the system our founding fathers created is its checks and balances. The reality is not too much will change - for better or worse - since the Republicans control the House. Our gun rights arent in real danger. Taxes will go up a little, spending will go down, just not enough to make a significant difference. One of our biggest concerns as farmers/ranchers is the estate tax. I pray they raise the limits up from the $1 million that goes into effect Jan 1. That limit is a huge threat to the continuity of small family operations.
Two of my favorite people here and you know you are. But these posts are perfect examples of what is wrong, how the country has been allowed this to happen.
1) You don't believe Obama Care will have a major impact on the economy? It will cripple job creation in small business. It will make your health care premiums soar as they already have since it passed and it's not even in full effect.
2) EPA regulations and executive orders and decisions like not allowing the pipeline to come down from Canada have a tremendous effect on our lives. Not congressional related. Department of Energy policy that states a desire to boost gasoline prices to European levels is not congressional controlled. Illegal immigration laws not being enforced, the federal government suing states over their own laws, these things are not congressional controlled.
3) Probably the scariest of them all is the 2 Supreme Court appointments that will effect our nation for GENERATIONS to come. Do you think its no big deal if two more Sonia Sotomayor and Elana Kagans are appointed to lifetime positions? REALLY? My question would be do you know anything about the rulings these two have made prior to being appointed? I am betting few do. If he can't get it through Congress he will legislate through the judiciary.
And that's my point. Few people realize what the ramifications of elections are. They just vote for a guy they "like" the best.
And this "we got through the last four alright, we'll get through the next four just the same." The 60-70 people per week in my county that are receiving foreclosure notices each Thursday would beg to differ with you on how we are "getting through this." They don't see it as just fine. Besides losing their homes, their credit, and therefor their ability to live a decent life, is ruined. All because of government policy that caused them to lose jobs and if they are fortunate enough to get one it pays half what they were making. Your statement should have read "I got through it just fine." We all see the world as how it has happened to us. The 46 million people on food stamps aren't "making it through this alright." The 1 in 6 people in America living in poverty aren't making it through this alright. It's only human nature, but somehow it seems to me that people should look beyond their own little world and understand how others in the country are making it and what is really going on. I sincerely hope you make it through just the same without feeling any effects of government policy. But everyone isn't that fortunate.
Mueller Show Cattle
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I am pissed, don't know what to say. I feel your frustration Gonewest, was proud of your state unlike many others. I hate to see what this country is going to be like in 4 years and how many more trillions we will be in debt, wish we could make the Obama supporters pay that debt in their taxes for the rest of their lives. Ugh, don't know what to say but I'm disappointed in the American People.
Gargan
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Big M Show Cattle said:
whats scary is that he (obama) dont have to worry about what he leaves behind after this term. ive never felt like i do today, and i dont like this feeling. i hope that its for nothing but time tells all things.
It's a good day for debating, so here goes. You've used some examples I have first hand experience on. I've worked my way up since college to be a partner in the oldest engineering firm in Texas (about 500 employees) that does lots of work for for cities, government agencies, oil/gas companies, etc. Specifically, I'm an environmental scientist that deals with all kinds regulatory agencies and permits for different kinds of projects. As a partner in the firm, I get to listen to insurance reps trying to sell us their products for our employees and at the end of the day help pick the plan we are going to go with.
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1) You don't believe Obama Care will have a major impact on the economy? It will cripple job creation in small business. It will make your health care premiums soar as they already have since it passed and it's not even in full effect.
I don't like it, but Obama Care isn't going to cripple anything. I'll be able to tell you in a month what the final economic impact on my company will be, but its on the order of a few percent in all likelihood of our current insurance costs. Premiums haven't soared since Obama Care passed, they've been "soared" a long time. Personally, I think health care needs to be either totally government run (Medicare for everyone) or nothing at all (including getting rid of Medicare). Our current and future hybrid system is the worst of both worlds. There is not one single issue that is a bigger threat to our long-term economy than healthcare. But it has been a problem of that scale long before Obama. The problem is we spend too much keeping ourselves alive. It's a moral delima that the health care industry takes advantage of.
2) EPA regulations and executive orders and decisions like not allowing the pipeline to come down from Canada have a tremendous effect on our lives. Not congressional related. Department of Energy policy that states a desire to boost gasoline prices to European levels is not congressional controlled. Illegal immigration laws not being enforced, the federal government suing states over their own laws, these things are not congressional controlled.
I deal with EPA all the time and think the best thing we could do would be to eliminate that agency. However, the Canada pipeline is an example of something being blamed on them that isn't their fault. The force behind that is the people of Nebraska (the Sand Hills that are rechage zone for the Ogallala aquifer) are very against that pipeline and regulatory agencies are listening to them. Those people are largely ranchers. Most infrastructure projects are stopped or impeded by people, not regulatory agnecies. And usually not tree-huggers, but landowners who want more money to cross their land. Or they don't want something built close to them. They are first ones to play the "its gonna make my grandbabies glow in the dark" card, not the agencies. EPA is a nuisance, but they rarely kill a business.
3) Probably the scariest of them all is the 2 Supreme Court appointments that will effect our nation for GENERATIONS to come. Do you think its no big deal if two more Sonia Sotomayor and Elana Kagans are appointed to lifetime positions? REALLY? My question would be do you know anything about the rulings these two have made prior to being appointed? I am betting few do. If he can't get it through Congress he will legislate through the judiciary.
Supreme Court justicies really aren't that influenced by a President. Once they get in, they are in. I think our Supreme Court is pretty good about sticking to their role. I prefer a Supreme Court that is made of justices from both sides. I don't want it too far one way or the other.
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1) You don't believe Obama Care will have a major impact on the economy? It will cripple job creation in small business. It will make your health care premiums soar as they already have since it passed and it's not even in full effect.
I don't like it, but Obama Care isn't going to cripple anything. I'll be able to tell you in a month what the final economic impact on my company will be, but its on the order of a few percent in all likelihood of our current insurance costs. Premiums haven't soared since Obama Care passed, they've been "soared" a long time. Personally, I think health care needs to be either totally government run (Medicare for everyone) or nothing at all (including getting rid of Medicare). Our current and future hybrid system is the worst of both worlds. There is not one single issue that is a bigger threat to our long-term economy than healthcare. But it has been a problem of that scale long before Obama. The problem is we spend too much keeping ourselves alive. It's a moral delima that the health care industry takes advantage of.
2) EPA regulations and executive orders and decisions like not allowing the pipeline to come down from Canada have a tremendous effect on our lives. Not congressional related. Department of Energy policy that states a desire to boost gasoline prices to European levels is not congressional controlled. Illegal immigration laws not being enforced, the federal government suing states over their own laws, these things are not congressional controlled.
I deal with EPA all the time and think the best thing we could do would be to eliminate that agency. However, the Canada pipeline is an example of something being blamed on them that isn't their fault. The force behind that is the people of Nebraska (the Sand Hills that are rechage zone for the Ogallala aquifer) are very against that pipeline and regulatory agencies are listening to them. Those people are largely ranchers. Most infrastructure projects are stopped or impeded by people, not regulatory agnecies. And usually not tree-huggers, but landowners who want more money to cross their land. Or they don't want something built close to them. They are first ones to play the "its gonna make my grandbabies glow in the dark" card, not the agencies. EPA is a nuisance, but they rarely kill a business.
3) Probably the scariest of them all is the 2 Supreme Court appointments that will effect our nation for GENERATIONS to come. Do you think its no big deal if two more Sonia Sotomayor and Elana Kagans are appointed to lifetime positions? REALLY? My question would be do you know anything about the rulings these two have made prior to being appointed? I am betting few do. If he can't get it through Congress he will legislate through the judiciary.
Supreme Court justicies really aren't that influenced by a President. Once they get in, they are in. I think our Supreme Court is pretty good about sticking to their role. I prefer a Supreme Court that is made of justices from both sides. I don't want it too far one way or the other.
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2 questions.
1st Last time this happen the American people come out in droves the next election to put conservative in the congress. Will this happen again? I think it will because the liberals can't motivate their base to get out and vote on a non presidential year.
2nd How many conservative don't vote in decided states (red or blue) because they know their state will go blue or red and don't make it to vote that day? Would getting away from the electoral college change anything?
1st Last time this happen the American people come out in droves the next election to put conservative in the congress. Will this happen again? I think it will because the liberals can't motivate their base to get out and vote on a non presidential year.
2nd How many conservative don't vote in decided states (red or blue) because they know their state will go blue or red and don't make it to vote that day? Would getting away from the electoral college change anything?
knabe
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In calif in Los Angeles we voted for mandatory condoms for porn stars but voter ID is out of the question.
