not trying to stir up a hornets nest, but it seems like a figure 8 is going on here with the breeding (a good thing). in california, shorthorns have pretty much disappeared, taken over by the typical angus. does anyone think they will be making a comeback, and what is different, better this time. guys out here say, "that cow would starve out on hills, the best cow is the smallest cow that will raise the largest calf, yet when i look at their herd, yes they do have small cows, kinda no muscle, 3 teats. only one guy kinda stands out near me, at least on real pasture (unlike mine which is irrigated with improved grasses) that has larger cattle that look like a cross between simmental, charolais, using angus as a terminal mostly, with a chi bull for cleanup once in a while. another guy has some decent charolais on irrigated and hayed ryegrass pasture. he also has pinzgauer's. or are the shorthorns being talked about here for a little more rain than we have in CA? there are some out here, even on the land leased from the parks to graze the pastures that helps keep down the annual grasses and actually improve the habitat for the species in danger. strangly, annual rye grass gives off the "right" enough gas to discourage one of our rare butterflies and they use cattle to keep it down. the parks use a nice pic of a shorthon on their website, of course deep in grass. they complained about cattle overgrazing, yet were amazed that all the drinking spots made in the 1880-1920's had california redlegged frogs, tiger salamanders. now they actually look for guys to graze. they don't yet pay you to graze. :'( sorry for the lack of focus red.
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