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[trevorgreycattleco]

Doc you sure have no tolerance for other opinions. I've never called the cops. Ever. I've never needed one. Obviously we need ems folks and stuff like that but to say we need more and more cops is just not needed. Cops around my town just bust the moms picking their kids up at school and they were doing 34 in a 25 zone. The banks have been robbed. Nobody caught. I plow snow a lot on the midnight shift. I can't tell you how many times I caught the sheriff sleeping in his cruiser on duty. I've also been targeted by a dirty cop. You can't win.

 

[knabe]

the people who benefit the most from tickets are the government and insurance industry.


all too often, i see people who have "friends of the police" drivers licenses and support stickers on their bumpers feeling entitled to getting off with warnings. i even know one lawyer who brags about it and speeds all the time.


it's not just the bad cops who are pigs.  i've known a couple of good cops over the years, and to me, there are more private citizen pigs, especially one's feeding at the trough of taxpayer money.


one thing i would change for cops or any government employee except military, is waiting till a later date for pensions, and no double dipping on pensions and salary and pensions.  overall, it's not a problem, but there are really just too many doing it.  i would also change politicians eligibility for pensions for longer terms served and the benefit not near as high and again, waiting till true retirement age to collect.  too many politicians term out and land lucrative jobs within government requiring no skill or experience whatsoever and they get to double dip.  it's an outrage.  the government feeding trough is out of hand and we need to go after that rather than more laws controlling private citizens, which only makes it more impossible every day to not commit a crime, the goal of politicians, to allow selective enforcement, so they can only allow those they deem appropriate for a government job using the private citizen's taxes.  it's an outrage and truly out of control.

 

[Doc]

Doc you sure have no tolerance for other opinions. I've never called the cops. Ever. I've never needed one. Obviously we need ems folks and stuff like that but to say we need more and more cops is just not needed. Cops around my town just bust the moms picking their kids up at school and they were doing 34 in a 25 zone. The banks have been robbed. Nobody caught. I plow snow a lot on the midnight shift. I can't tell you how many times I caught the sheriff sleeping in his cruiser on duty. I've also been targeted by a dirty cop. You can't win.

Sure I have tolerance for other opinions. What I don't have tolerance for is for disrespectful people. 9 miles an hour over the speed limit, then absolutely they deserve a ticket. If you don't give them a ticket at 34 mph, then where do you think is fair? 45,55 or just go as fast as you think you can handle your car?
As far as not ever calling a cop , then count yourself lucky and then be grateful if the day ever comes that you have to call one and they are there for you.

 

[RyanChandler]

You are way out there to think you don't need the police. With the wacko's and them scum out there and more and more gun laws. We need all the police we can get and then some. As far as saying that if you live in the ghetto that they feel there is now way out. They may feel that way and they may be taught that , but I think that is B.S.. I still think that calling cops pigs is wrong. You may be "o.k." with it , but I'm not. I'm sure from your posts on here that you are "o.k." with a lot of things that I'm not.
Talking about why would anyone want to be a cop anymore, well with attitudes like yours and others I agree. I also think that people like cops, teachers, etc. are not allowed to do their job or they are scared to do their job because of the consequences.
My oldest daughter is going to college to be a teacher. I think that it is an underpaid, thankless , and dangerous job. With that being said I am proud that she is still going to do it and try to make a difference in someone's life. Same deal with a cop, I think that it is a thankless, underpaid, very dangerous job, but I am dang glad that there is people out there every day willing to step up and make that commitment .

step up and make that commitment?  You are so far removed from the reality of the situation I don't even know where to begin.  You go on about disrespect? What's disrespectful is wasting tax dollars chasing down, otherwise law abiding citizens, for simple possession of mj.  Undoubtedly, at that very moment, there was a crime involving a victim that, if the cop had really been out protecting and serving, he might have prevented.  Instead, he was out chasing revenue for his chief who promised him another bar for making it known that "barneyville and chief barney are cracking down on drugs."

How many patrolmen can sit there and tell you that their life long dream was to become a police officer and serve his community? How many patrolmen took the initiative to get a degree in criminology or criminal justice or what they should be required to have a degree in--- LAW--- because defending the community against crime was their passion? The answer to both of these questions is 'VERY FEW.' The majority of these barneys out there on patrol duty are either JC dropouts who went and got a 12 month certificate taught by some other barney who couldn't cut it in the police force- both of whom are just looking for an easy paycheck-, or they worked in a previous field, and now, for whatever reason, are working the night shift patrol?? Like did you just wake up one night with this calling to protect and serve or what!?!? True, there are specialized task force and highly skilled individuals who work in law enforcement-- unfortunately, these individuals aren't the ones interacting w/ the general public.  The ones interacting w/ the public have little to no education or training yet these same people have the 'jurisdiction' and, ultimately, the authority to physically detain you against your will at their discretion.  Some of the least educated professionals within our society having the most authority???  Now you're telling me you don't have a problem with that? 

Watch the video TGCC posted, that is your typical boy in blue right there- these type of people aren't on your side-  The entire system is flawed. When crimes goes down ==> cut the force,  When crime goes up ==> expand the force.  Do you not see the AGENCY CONFLICT here? They have a personal incentive to, essentially, preserve their existence and they do this by accentuating and fabricating the level of crime.

 

[knabe]

step up and make that commitment? your brush is perhaps a little wide.


You are so far removed from the reality of the situation I don't even know where to begin.  the mirror is in front of you.


You go on about disrespect? what you post half the time on here.


What's disrespectful is wasting tax dollars chasing down, otherwise law abiding citizens, for simple possession of mj.  you have selective outrage here.


Undoubtedly, at that very moment, there was a crime involving a victim that, if the cop had really been out protecting and serving, he might have prevented.  Instead, he was out chasing revenue for his chief who promised him another bar for making it known that "barneyville and chief barney are cracking down on drugs." elect different people, don't blame the police for enforcing the law. selective enforcement, just like selective outrage is a slippery slope to tyranny, something i have no doubt you would like, in spite of your protestations you like capitalism.

How many patrolmen can sit there and tell you that their life long dream was to become a police officer and serve his community? how would you know. did you take a scientific poll?


How many patrolmen took the initiative to get a degree in criminology or criminal justice or what they should be required to have a degree in--- LAW--- because defending the community against crime was their passion? The answer to both of these questions is 'VERY FEW.' lets have a number.


The majority of these barneys out there on patrol duty are either JC dropouts who went and got a 12 month certificate taught by some other barney who couldn't cut it in the police force- both of whom are just looking for an easy paycheck-, or they worked in a previous field, and now, for whatever reason, are working the night shift patrol?? again, lets have some numbers.


Like did you just wake up one night with this calling to protect and serve or what!?!? True, there are specialized task force and highly skilled individuals who work in law enforcement-- unfortunately, these individuals aren't the ones interacting w/ the general public. how would you know, did you take a poll?


The ones interacting w/ the public have little to no education or training yet these same people have the 'jurisdiction' and, ultimately, the authority to physically detain you against your will at their discretion. again, what percentage of arrests fall into this category? how many times do people get warnings. you don't have any numbers to make any of these claims.  Some of the least educated professionals within our society having the most authority???  Now you're telling me you don't have a problem with that? 

Watch the video TGCC posted, that is your typical boy in blue right there, again, stereotyping and not fair, but then, when were you ever fair.- these type of people aren't on your side-  The entire system is flawed. i don't think the brush gets any wider.


When crimes goes down ==> cut the force, mr. government solution for everything, really?, why not start a few other places as well?


When crime goes up ==> expand the force. just like that. why don't you run for police chief.


Do you not see the AGENCY CONFLICT here? They have a personal incentive to, essentially, preserve their existence and they do this by accentuating and fabricating the level of crime. again, this is elected officials constantly creating laws, which you are for, as it's increasingly impossible to live life without committing a crime.

you talk constantly about accuracy in epd's and other things, but don't ever offer any accuracy.  you belong in the protest wallstreet protests. maybe get down off your little miniature pony and take a ride with some cops.  man up little man.

 

[chambero]

I ought to stay out of this but just can't.

The only two past/present "whatever" admitted drug users that post on this site are the the only ones that are referring to police as "pigs"?  There's a pattern there.  Those of us that have avoided being extraordinary dumbasses/sorry SOBs tend to not have had bad experiences with police.

The only people I've ever heard of getting beat up or shot by cops were ones doing something they weren't supposed to.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist not to mess with a policeman that's trying to enforce the law.  If your dumb enough to do so, that's called natural selection.  When they tell you to do something or stop doing something, you do it.  If by some random miracle they are in the wrong, there are processes to deal with that in an appropriate manner.

Policeman come from a lot of backgrounds just like every other profession.  A lot of them for over 10 years now come from military police backgrounds.  There are just so many things wrong assumptions that get made if you view them as underachievers that can't do anything else. 

I sat on a jury on a murder trial last summer and have never been as mad in my life as watching the crap the a whole litany of police/sheriff's dept officers/Texas Rangers had to put up with from the defense attorneys.  That happens on EVERY SINGLE CASE.  What they have to put up with to try to protect us from very bad people is almost beyond comprehension till you get to peak behind the curtain a little bit.

Frankly I urge this topic to be removed.  It doesn't have a thing to do with cattle and makes us look bad.

 

[RyanChandler]

US Dept of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/lpd07.pdf

"Less than 1% of the local police departments in this country require a college degree"
Table 5

With the average salary less than 30 grand... no wonder only the most honorable and ambitious apply  :


"Just because it's your job doesn't make it right" -Cool hand Luke

When they tell you to do something or stop doing something, you do it. 

Good boy. Now you're under control; now you do what they tell you.

Frankly I urge this topic to be removed.  It doesn't have a thing to do with cattle and makes us look bad. Why? Because impressionable minds might actually stop blindly following the herd and start questioning supposed authority? What makes you look bad is your expectations that all who are passionate about cattle have to be dead fish and fall in line w/ some stereotypical beliefs about what a good cattlemen looks like or believes.  So many people have been conditioned to the point that that they no longer have the ability to think and form conclusions for themselves.   

 

[knabe]

US Dept of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/lpd07.pdf

"Less than 1% of the local police departments in this country require a college degree"
Table 5  misleading.  some positions require an associates degree or a bachelor's, up to 30%

With the average salary less than 30 grand... no wonder only the most honorable and ambitious apply  :  why do so many retire rich? many drop out, just like other professions. they are typically subjected to a personality test, which the general public is not.  it's pretty much a given that the police are representative of the general population with regard to bad apples. people like you and the link you posted focus on the negative in life.


"Just because it's your job doesn't make it right" -Cool hand Luke  change the law.

When they tell you to do something or stop doing something, you do it. 

Good boy. Now you're under control; now you do what they tell you.

Frankly I urge this topic to be removed.  It doesn't have a thing to do with cattle and makes us look bad. Why? Because impressionable minds might actually stop blindly following the herd and start questioning supposed authority? What makes you look bad is your expectations that all who are passionate about cattle have to be dead fish and fall in line w/ some stereotypical beliefs about what a good cattlemen looks like or believes.  So many people have been conditioned to the point that that they no longer have the ability to think and form conclusions for themselves.   

  you are in denial that you are conditioned. practically a pull toy for negativity. i agree. remove the topic.

 

[RyanChandler]

http://youtu.be/Jry92dhOtaw

 

[RyanChandler]

Exactly

 

[knabe]

xbar, you are a pig.
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Exactly
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you are limiting your customers and potential semen purchases with your attitude.  the very people you would like genetics from and sell to are offended by your behavior.  way to go.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

xbar, you are a pig.
[quote author=-XBAR]
Exactly

you are limiting your customers and potential semen purchases with your attitude.  the very people you would like genetics from and sell to are offended by your behavior.  way to go.
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It's a free country.



First off I guess I'm the only one here who's been targeted by a bad police office. I did nothing. In fact, I stuck up for his x wife when he was a drunk in a hole beating on her. She was family. He was a highway patrol. You all think you know it all. I don't give a rats ass if anybody on here sells me anything or buts anything off me. How shallow to judge people that way. Take this topic down. That's weak. You all just follow along. This country is just fine as is. No
Problems at all. None. Frankly if you all judge my ability to be a cattleman on my stance on police brutality then you're all simple minded. I read lots of things in here I don't agree with. I argue. I still respect those opinions. I don't care how you live your life. From following a invisible bring up
In invisible heaven to living in sin. I DONT CARE. You all need to grow up. Wouldn't it be a shame if xbar breeds some awesome animals in the future and nobody buys them because he's voices his opinion and it doesn't fall in line with the status quo.


Yet you all will turn right around and buy bogus cattle from a bogus breeder because he wins shows at all costs.


Ban me. Kick me out. Take it down. Blah blah blah. Heaven forbid we may have a point in all the reifer madness. Pot after all
Is a gateway drug. Smoke it and you're doomed to a life in hell. Before you know it, you'll be shooting up a post office.


What shallow minds are on display.


Now go ahead and feast on my rebellion. Tell me how wring I am. Guess what? I ain't changing.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

My spelling ducks because my blood is pumping and I'm half pissed. So spare me the fact there is 57 typos in there.

 

[knabe]

Open your mind, it makes you a better person.

 

[RyanChandler]

you are limiting your customers and potential semen purchases with your attitude.  the very people you would like genetics from and sell to are offended by your behavior.  way to go.

How suffocating it must be to have to go through life role-playing some disingenuous persona -setting aside your own personal convictions-  for the pursuit of a little cash.  way to go.

 

[knabe]

How suffocating it must be to stereotype an entire group of people. How disingenuous.


I suppose the police shouldnt even investigate issues like these.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/04/02/police-man-beaten-after-stopping-to-check-on-welfare-of-child-struck-by-his-car/


I mean really, why even have police at all?

 

[RyanChandler]

How suffocating it must be to stereotype an entire group of people. How disingenuous.


I suppose the police shouldnt even investigate issues like these.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/04/02/police-man-beaten-after-stopping-to-check-on-welfare-of-child-struck-by-his-car/


I mean really, why even have police at all?

You're against every other socialistic entity.  How/why is it that you distinguish law enforcement from any other common good?


A redirection of funding from police to social services would go along way towards preventing crime.  What's that they say about an ounce of prevention...?

 

[knabe]

Intolerance from the tolerance crowd.


Local police is a local issue.  Thats how.


Obviously your crowd is motivated to take away all local control of everything.


For some reason, an ounce of local control is never a pound of cure in your thinking.

 

[vc]

I known some good police, sheriff and highway patrol officers, I've known so not so good ones as well. I've also known some good teachers, coaches, inspectors, 4H and FFA advisers but then I've delt with some awful ones as well.

I would not want to be a cop now days, gangs, youth that feel the rules don't apply (entitled), and the a-holes of the world you have to deal with daily. After awhile just like some on here think the police are bad, the police start to feel the same way about the public. I have never had a problem when I treated an officer with respect, I have if I copped (no pun intended) an atitude. I have never been pulled over whith out doing something to get pulled over for either.

Here is one of my dealings with the police: 3 teenage boys (me being one of them) in an open top Jeep, returning home from a day of shooting clay pigons and swimming are pulled over for illeagly passing. (My brother passed someone on the shoulder in a no passing zone because they were driving to slow) We had 4 shot guns, 2 22's a 9mm simi auto and a compound bow all in the jeep next to the guy in the back seat.
When we pulled over we all put our hands where the officer could see them, prior to him even getting to the vehicle, mine on the oh-shoot bar, my brothers on the steering wheel, my buddies on the rollcage, did not want to make the officer nervous. He saw the guns inquired as to what we had been doing, were the guns loaded, and then how the shooting went. He asked my brother "did you not see me behind you?" his answer "ugh, no" gave him a ticket and went on his way. He could have gotten all worked up but did not.

I would not want to live in a town without the police, it is like a lock on a gate it keeps the honest people honest.


now other side:
http://www.click2houston.com/news/caught-on-camera-rosenberg-police-officer-plays-catch-with-boy/24004536

http://www.permianbasin360.com/news-article/odessa-police-officer-gives-homeless-man-boots-for/d/news-article/0oMRnLajG06WYt6nCG4Xrg

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/nyregion/photo-of-officer-giving-boots-to-barefoot-man-warms-hearts-online.html?_r=0

Four Corvallis police officers received awards Monday for going above and beyond the call of duty.

"You expect each other to perform that way and that's good," said Police Chief Gary Boldizar, who with Capt. Dan Hendrickson presented the awards. "We want to provide that level of service to the community."

Officer Christy Molina received the Merit Award and a Challenge Coin for exceptional merit and life-saving actions.

On Aug. 20, Molina was scanning police and fire department channels when she heard a call about an elderly man who was unconscious and unresponsive. She responded immediately, reaching the man before paramedics, and gave him CPR. Medical personnel at Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center later said that those moments were critical and that Molina saved the man's life.

"Your swift action and dedication to duty bring great credit to the Corvallis Police Department," Boldizar said.

Three officers received awards for their part in responding to an Aug. 9 fire at an apartment building on Northwest Tyler Avenue in which a man was badly burned. Ben Beekman suffered third-degree burns in the fire and is still recovering at the Oregon Burn Center in Portland.

Officer John Stenger was given the Challenge Coin for his actions that night. After Beekman escaped the fire, Stenger stayed with him until paramedics arrived.

"With outstanding presence of mind he assisted in the aid of a badly burned man, and made sure he did not go into shock," Hendrickson said.

Sgt. Jeff Van Arsdal and Lt. Cord Wood were the first to arrive at the scene of the fire. Both went into the burning building, helped Beekman and another resident, Neil Swanson, to get out. Then Wood went through the building to make sure no one else was inside.

Both men received the Distinguished Service Award, which is given for actions that involve personal risk. Wood also received the Challenge Coin for exceptional service and achievement.

 

[RyanChandler]

Local police is a local issue.  Thats how.

State police? FBI?  It's almost impossible to get you to answer a direct question.  You're against every other socialistic entity.  How/why is it that you distinguish law enforcement from other common goods?