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ok.  That may be.  I thought you were saying they took F1s and bred them to gerts and wallah it was done.  I am not sure that breeding them to gerts in the second stage was done (I would have to look into it) because I think they had to breed them to gerts in the last stage to make them gerts so...

I feel like this thread has been hi-jacked a little bit from its original intent but I just remembered Harold Bertz telling me that he had heard that one of the  bulls that they used was a shorthorn bull that I think was a Sutherland bull (memory is a little fuzzy because that was a few years...

I think you better do some more research.  1st They did not cross gerts with F1s  2nd Red brangus was not used  3rd I would have to look again but I think what they did was used some 3/4 bloods and crossed them again to derive the 5/8s .  thenhad to be crossed with a Gert bull before they were...

I think there is a lot of confusion as to what has been said here. The original comment was stated that it seemed a lot or several gerts appeared to have 3/8 shorty incluence.  I then said in a semi jestering and somewhat serious manner that I thought there were probably a lot of shorties that...

Never said anything about brahman.  Said they were 3/8 shorty.  <beer> Foreign blood influence is in every breed, but honestly, I think with most American breeds, the foreign influence has come from british or continental breeds, not brahman. 

Funny,  I could say that about a lot of shorthorns too!  (lol)  I cross Durham Reds with Gerts and have liked some of the results, still playing with it to find exactly what I am looking for but getting closer all the time.  Personally I call the cross an American Durham. 

wish they would designate which lots were red and which were black. 

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I thought the industry was moving towards moderating frame scores.  :)

Gerts, Durham Reds, Murray Grays, Red Angus, and non-clubby shorties

I sold a gert bull to a breeder in Canada.  They have sent me several pics of gerts with icicles on their eyelashes and such.  Also look at the December issue cover picture (www.santagertrudis.com) .  This pic was taken at our place with 2 foot of snow on the ground.  They do grow hair and will...

if creating black feeder calves is your goal or only concern then this line:  "His mother is a 9 year old coming cow, who weans our biggest calf every year, milks the hardest, and is the fattest through the offseason."  doesn't mean much.  Maternal characteristics don't mean a thing in a...

I have never liked tubs, but have used a few.  One year, instead of tubs, I tried the beefmaker blocks by Ragland Mills.  In my opinion these are FAR more economical than any tub.  Lat year I got through the winter feeding  50 cows for under $200.  I am not sure they need it but since they are...