J2F
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Why do commercial shorthorn outfits around the country always get glossed over to bash the big time shorthorn show outfits?
J2F said:Why do commercial shorthorn outfits around the country always get glossed over to bash the big time shorthorn show outfits?
coyote said:I think it maybe has something to do with the perception that some of the show cattle are the wrong type and if they were used in the commercial industry they would give Shorthorns a bad name and turn commercial cattleman off of Shorthorns, which in turn would hurt the commercial shorthorn outfits. ie: TH, PHA defects, hard calving , hard doing.
I guess the Shorthorn breed has been down that road before when the show industry was striving for short cattle during the 50s and 60s. A lot of Shorthorns turned that way to try and win a ribbon and a lot of commercial acceptance was lost.
coyote said:I think it maybe has something to do with the perception that some of the show cattle are the wrong type and if they were used in the commercial industry they would give Shorthorns a bad name and turn commercial cattleman off of Shorthorns, which in turn would hurt the commercial shorthorn outfits. ie: TH, PHA defects, hard calving , hard doing.
I guess the Shorthorn breed has been down that road before when the show industry was striving for short cattle during the 50s and 60s. A lot of Shorthorns turned that way to try and win a ribbon and a lot of commercial acceptance was lost.
It is not just a Shorthorn issue it is in every breed and even in the horse industry. I would say it is more than likely human nature more than anything.
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Coyote is exactly correct with the last two sentences! It is in every breed. Champion Hill gets called out all the time in theAngus breed for being only Show Cattle, then people go up to Schaff's and buy their bulls with an SAV prefix for big money because they think they are Commercial oriented. It is all about perception. I don't know why the "commercial" shorthorn people dislike the show industry people so much? We are all just trying to sell a product to make money. I don't dislike Holstein guys because they feed hard year around to make money milking cows. I understand that is fine as long as it is profitable.
As far as all the "C sections" come on!!!! We have been raising shorthorns almost 70 years and maybe given 3 c-sections . Your friend is doing someting drastically wrong in selecting matings!!!!! I could bash any breed on here, but I don't because who does it benefit?
that's a bull? Ha, I'll have to put my glasses on to even see his pecker... Are you sure you posted the right picture?jaimiediamond said:I am not sure why Shorthorn breeders bash each other as much as they do. Attached is a picture of a bull sired by Salute, this bull is working commercially and has not had any calves assisted. The owner of this bull has other Shorthorns, Simmentals,Angus (red and black) and honestly he is pleased with the Salute son.
obie105 said:We have one commercial shorthorn cow and she can be bred to the same bull as everyone else and her calf is 10lbs heavier everytime. She is harder calving. To sit back and look shorthorns are hard calving. They seem to be harder doing. You don't see them bringing a premium at the sale barn more than likely roans will be docked. You don't see ads out there by the shorthorn association saying hey use these bulls they will do whatever for you like many of the other associations. Every breed has there genetic defects but when I think of shorthorns I think of the big two defects and that is something the commercial guy doesn't want to deal with. I am sure there are very good shorthorns out there that can do well for the commercial guy but I have never heard about any. I have friends that raise them and all they talk about is having to feed the cows year round and all of the c sections. Not good advertisement for the breed.
coyote said:I think it maybe has something to do with the perception that some of the show cattle are the wrong type and if they were used in the commercial industry they would give Shorthorns a bad name and turn commercial cattleman off of Shorthorns, which in turn would hurt the commercial shorthorn outfits. ie: TH, PHA defects, hard calving , hard doing.
We have one commercial shorthorn cow and she can be bred to the same bull as everyone else and her calf is 10lbs heavier everytime. She is harder calving. To sit back and look shorthorns are hard calving. They seem to be harder doing.
You don't see them bringing a premium at the sale barn more than likely roans will be docked. You don't see ads out there by the shorthorn association saying hey use these bulls they will do whatever for you like many of the other associations. Every breed has there genetic defects but when I think of shorthorns I think of the big two defects and that is something the commercial guy doesn't want to deal with.
I have show type friends that raise them and all they talk about is having to feed the cows year round and all of the c sections. Not good advertisement for the breed.
I think there is a divide of sorts in the breed. There was kind of a movement by some Shorthorn people a few years back to try and gain back some market share in the beef industry. The black hided deal was a major factor. There were people discussing ideas on how to do this. People looked at the Angus and Red Angus breeds who had all kinds of data......all kinds of commercial domination. They were selecting for smaller bwt's and stayability and carcass traits. These breeders hammered and hammered and stacked pedigrees to try and please the industry. Angus was big....Red Angus acceptence had explosive growth. These breeders had 20 years of selection of multiple traits.
It is not just a Shorthorn issue it is in every breed and even in the horse industry. I would say it is more than likely human nature more than anything.
obie105 said:She is a granddaughter of double vision. I like the cow don't get me wrong. She is carrying an embryo because she can have a bigger calf and she milks well. The big picture is go to a sale barn look at what is bringing the money. We raise herefords so there are places that we get docked for being red but the association has helped out to by having hereford influenced feeder calf sales and certified hereford beef. Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything out there trying to promote shorthorns to the commercial guy.