mark tenenbaum
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knabe said:
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SWMO
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For those people that thing that the President can't be on top of everything that is happening in this country.
#1 That is why he is supposed to surround himself with honest, competitent advisors.
#2 To quote hmmmmm another president ..... "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"
#1 That is why he is supposed to surround himself with honest, competitent advisors.
#2 To quote hmmmmm another president ..... "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"
mark tenenbaum
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Agreed SWMO and that is why I liked him putting Panetta as secretary of defense and keeping Gates there as long as he could, HC as Secretary of State and Vilsack as Ag Secretary. Pry the 3 most important cabinet positions all held by upstanding people.
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Mark, I personally didn't call President Obama corrupt. That is for history to determine and the courts. However, his choices in the advisors that he has chosen to surround himself with has left me with little to no cofidence in his ability to run our government. He has proven that he cannot develop a budget and present it to congress for review and a vote, even when he had the majority in the House and the Senate. I feel that it is time to let Romney have a stab at running our government. President Obama has proven that he has no concept of running a business.
I am greatly concerned with his use of the Executive Order route to establish laws in our Country. it seems to me, uneducated that I am, that he is circumventing our Constitution and that I have a HUGE problem with.
Judy
I am greatly concerned with his use of the Executive Order route to establish laws in our Country. it seems to me, uneducated that I am, that he is circumventing our Constitution and that I have a HUGE problem with.
Judy
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I agree with the executive order issue. I didn't like Bush doing it and don't like Obama doing it either.
hamburgman said:
I think maybe you have trouble reading. No where did I say that we had $10 gas. I said FACTUALLY that it was the policy of your Presidents energy secretary that we have that. And it is. He doesn't even own a car. He doesn't want you to. Is that how you want to live? Is that the ideas you want in charge of ANYTHING?
You didn't mention a word about how devaluing the dollar helped your $30,000 a year couple who now are only making $20,000. WHY? Because there is nothing in it that is good for them. And if you think an ever growing trade deficit is not an economic problem for this country, you either have had no education in economics or you're a moron, one of the two.
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What is wrong with having all upstanding people instead of 3??? That's your standard? If you feel there are three upstanding people in the whole government administration, you're ok with that? And how in the world can you call Hillary Clinton "upstanding" when she goes all over the world blaming the deal in Libya on some video those people didn't even know about until our government mentioned it??? Just how low are your standards?
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Since when is lowering the value of the dollar actually lowering your income? 85% of a consumer dollar is spent on US goods and services. Though something may be made in another country. Many times the bulk of the dollar goes to transportation, r & d and other things that are US based. So lowering a currency value doesn't necessarily increase home consumer prices by the same amount.
Never said that you said gas was at $10, my point was we don't have $10 gas and it isn't anywhere in the foreseeable future. So you tell me how that man is going to make gas go to $10? I haven't seen any policies and trends that show an administration pushing for $10 gas.
I feel those 3 people are very upstanding individuals who have done well with their jobs. Are there other people who did well for the administration? yes like Elizabeth Warren.
How come you are the only one who gets to ask questions?
Who makes up an upstanding cabinet in your opinion?
Why do trade deficits matter? If I am a moron you should easily be able to find information on the disasters that trade deficits bring around. How can everyone run trade surpluses? There a giant hole in the ocean that buys stuff and throws money out in exchange?
Never said that you said gas was at $10, my point was we don't have $10 gas and it isn't anywhere in the foreseeable future. So you tell me how that man is going to make gas go to $10? I haven't seen any policies and trends that show an administration pushing for $10 gas.
I feel those 3 people are very upstanding individuals who have done well with their jobs. Are there other people who did well for the administration? yes like Elizabeth Warren.
How come you are the only one who gets to ask questions?
Who makes up an upstanding cabinet in your opinion?
Why do trade deficits matter? If I am a moron you should easily be able to find information on the disasters that trade deficits bring around. How can everyone run trade surpluses? There a giant hole in the ocean that buys stuff and throws money out in exchange?
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Just so I am clear on which part of my statement is true, you being either uneducated or a moron, what grade are you in? That way I will know at what level you can understand my answers, if you don't understand what a trade deficit does to a country over time, which I know has been known to economist since the 1600's, I am fearful it is the latter instead of the former.
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A)How does lowering the value of currency lower your income? Lets see if you can follow this. The $30,000 your couple made now buys $20,000 worth of good and services. How do I know this? In the late 80's and 90's I would go to western Canada and buy semi truck loads of Simmental cattle and bring them here to re-sell. If I bought $60,000 CA worth of cattle, they cost $40,000 US. Today if I were to do the same thing, go to western Canada and buy $60,000 CA worth of cattle, it would cost me.........wait for it.......anyone have a guess?........$60,000!!!!!!!!!! The purchasing power of the dollars I have in my pocket will only buy 2/3 of what it would as 10 years ago. Now to be fair, 9 cents of that 33cents was lost in years prior to your Presidents election. Since his inauguration, the value of the dollar has dropped 25cents. In other words on January 2, 2004 the dollar was worth 1.25 CA. Today it is worth $1CA. Against an average of other world currencies it is only 8% drop over that period of time. And why is it lower vs world currencies than against the Canadian currency? Because China manipulates and devalues it's currency in order to stay a certain percentage below the US dollar which skews the statistics. For all intents and purposes each dollar you had in your pocket on January 2,2009 is worth 75 cents today. Period, the end. Your $30,000 a year couple now is able to buy goods and services that were valued at $22,500 dollars when your President took office.
B) And that valuation doesn't include gas and food prices. I haven't seen any policies and trends that show an administration pushing for $10 gas. Really? How about the sun coming up? Ever seen that? It's no more obvious.
When your President took office January 19, 2009 the average price of gas in the US was $1.85 a gallon. Two weeks ago it had doubled in less than 4 years. The last couple weeks it has come down due to lack of demand and it will continue down for a couple weeks since there will be a HUGE lack of demand stemming from the inability of travel of all kinds due to Hurricane Sandy. The price of gasoline doubled in 4 years and it hadn't since Carter was President and you don't think that has anything to do with government policy? You ask how this man is going to make gas go to $10. How did corn get to $8.24 and today $7.55? Government policy plain and simple. A full 1/3 of the US corn crop was used to produce 14 billion gallons of Ethanol in 2011. The government mandates that by 2022 36 billion gallons of Ethanol will be CONSUMED in the US not just produced. Two and a half times the amount currently being produced. Where do you think that corn is going to come from? Not here. Not enough land unless we stop feeding livestock and eating.So the Ethanol comes from countries that can produce Ethanol from sugar cane, like Brazil. Can't grow Sugar cane in much of the US because it needs about 36 inches of rain. Problem with importing it is that there is currently a .54 cent a gallon tariff on Ethanol. If that tariff (which is arbitrarily derived, it could be $54 just as easily) follows the dollar and then goes up 25% ever 4 years then it will have almost a dollar by 2012. What will that ad to your gas prices? What will Ethanol producers be paying for corn when they need more than we can grow to meet their government imposed demands? Then what will your fuel cost?
But if you want proof, I guess you need to hear it from the horses mouth. While in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Energy Secretary Steven Chu stated, and I QUOTE " Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the gasoline prices to the levels of those in Europe." Average price per gallon in France is $9.24 today. Denmark's is $9.69. He goes on to say that it would force people to buy more efficient vehicles (not sure exactly what they would buy it with since they won't have a job and their money is worthless), discourage urban sprawl (lets all live on top of each other like they do in Hong Kong and isolate rural communities and the heartland of the nation while we are at it), make renewables more competitive (Because they can't compete if allowed to fend for themselves in the free market) and limit dependence on foreign oil ( not using our own available resources is what keeps us dependent on foreign oil.) In other words he wants to change the way we live life in America. Is that what you want, too? Just say so if it is. And still you can't see any policies and trends that show this administration is pulling for $10 a gallon gas? Really?
How about these policies then. In 2007 7100 permits issued on federal lands to drill for oil. 2011 Under the Obama administration 4200. Federal lands produced less oil than they did in 2003. There is more oil and gas production in the US than ever under this administration, why? Because the Bush administration opened up large new areas both on and off shore and these permits that were issued at that time are now coming on line. The current administration approves an average of 4.7 shallow water permits a month as compared to the historical average including Republican and Democratic Presidents of 14.7 per month. An offshore drilling plan now takes 92 days to be approved, 31 more than the historical average. So far in 2012 23% of all drilling plans have been approved as compared to a historical average of 73.4%. Oil drilling platforms that once were off the Gulf coast of the US have been towed to the Brazilian coast. And you don't see any policies that would push gasoline prices to $10? Really?
How about the Keystone XL pipeline that your President has stonewalled? That would bring cheaper oil from Canada and North Dakota to refineries in the Gulf replacing oil that now goes to those refineries from............got a guess?... your Presidents buddy Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
Oh and don't forget those monetary policies that got into the pocket book of your $30,000 a year couple. Guess what currency oil is traded in? Care to take a stab? It's DOLLARS and when the value of the dollar falls the cost of oil rises. How ingenious for an administration who has DELIBERATELY sought to bring higher energy prices through out the economy through his cap and trade policies. Have you ever heard of that? It's where they assign an arbitrary tax to energy sources and suppliers based on emissions. When they put a tax of $50 on a barrel of oil who do you think will pay for it? YOU WILL.
And you are telling me that you haven't seen and trends or policies that the administration is pushing for high gas (energy of all kinds) prices? WHY don't you see it? It's not like they are trying to hide anything, this is their vision for the country. Is it yours?
C) I really don't think you had a very good answer to my question about having 3 people that did well for the administration. There are others? Why aren't you incensed that ALL of them haven't done a good job or that even one is a crook or a socialist/communist? Is 3 all you expect to do a good job. How about just not be corrupt? How about just uphold the laws they were sworn to administer? I think its a very low bar you set to say you feel Hillary Clinton has done "well with their jobs." Do you "feel" she has done well in participating with the cover up in the Libya scandal? You think allowing 4 Americans to be murdered in order to enhance Obama's chances for re-election was doing "well" ?
D) Who makes up an upstanding cabinet? I believe an upstanding cabinet would consist of those who had not admitted to evading $40,000 worth of federal taxes, those who would prosecute all the laws of this nation and not just the ones that meet his political agenda, those who were not socialist/communist or admire them in any shape or form, those who do not continue to promote this "global warming" crapola that's only scientific evidence was proven to be totally made up in order to advance a political agenda, those who want to see us energy independent and can see what a gasoline price of under $2 would do for the economy, those who are not intent on changing our country to become more like ANY other country and those who believe firmly in American exceptional-ism and would refuse to apologize for that. Would you disagree with any of that? That is so far from a description of this administration that I guess you'd have to.
E) It's late and I will get to your trade deficits tomorrow. And one thing you are right about is that it's easy. You may need a helmet. But quickly one thing I notice about you that is particularly disturbing is shown in this quote " How can everyone run trade surpluses." I am just wondering why you care what everyone else can or can't do and why aren't you more concerned about what America does and that America prospers than how everyone else does?
mark tenenbaum
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I dont condone the inactions of the administration-CIA,or the military in Lybia.Although the inaction(s) or action(s) taken were decided by a number of "organizations" within the govt:and in those types of scenarios,there has to be a chain of command. It seems to be more beurocratic bumbling than a premediated impeachable offence. Not even close.Also RE the whole video issue- the rugs were beating all over the "civilizations"of Allah:affecting many countries.Those rugbeeaters were burning flags,dummys,themselves etc everywhere,so the video ,like former newspaper satires etc. did set them off. They definitely had bees in thier burnooses.And when you take into account that thier idea of truth and reality changes with and merges with whatever comes into thier heads-it sometimes takes awhile to figure out in rational Western terms,whats reallly going on. At this point one thing is certain-the US( and allies) will take heads over this:-clandestine or otherwise.And thats one of the few areas the president has had full support of people like McCain,etc.The drones are out there doing serious damage every day-not to mention things you will never be aware of. O0
knabe
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interesting the media is focusing on polling how the president is signing orders to help with sandy and pushing poll numbers how he's handling the storm and there is no poll alongside that report on benghazi.
environmentalists have the best take on katrina and sandy. don't build there. new orleans has SUNK 22-24 feet since the late 1700's and jersey shores, there are houses right on the beach front that appear to not be on poles. at least people in monsoon areas can either do that or build essentially disposable houses.
out here on the feather river it floods periodically and you can't get insurance except from the government for 300,000. guess what size the houses are now? yep 300,000.
hopefully insurance companies will have the good sense to raise rates in areas where houses shouldn't be built. of course the government will step in and not only allow it but mandate it as they have in the sacramento delta behind levees.
i'd be interested to see how many boats were removed from jersey before the storm and how many were left behind, i.e. what that ratio was.
environmentalists have the best take on katrina and sandy. don't build there. new orleans has SUNK 22-24 feet since the late 1700's and jersey shores, there are houses right on the beach front that appear to not be on poles. at least people in monsoon areas can either do that or build essentially disposable houses.
out here on the feather river it floods periodically and you can't get insurance except from the government for 300,000. guess what size the houses are now? yep 300,000.
hopefully insurance companies will have the good sense to raise rates in areas where houses shouldn't be built. of course the government will step in and not only allow it but mandate it as they have in the sacramento delta behind levees.
i'd be interested to see how many boats were removed from jersey before the storm and how many were left behind, i.e. what that ratio was.
mark tenenbaum said:
Mark are you telling me you believe the situation in Lybia was a riot caused by people being angry over a video and was not a well organized attack on the embassy planned to coincide on the anniversary of 9-11? I am just asking for a yes or no answer.
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GONEWEST said:
if anyone believes this, i have some ocean front land to sell in new jersey. orchestrated outrage is a manipulation technique leading to dhimmitude.
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I believe the attack was planned by the terrorists to show up and escalate things dependent upon thier exposure: along with using the hysterical rugbeeters as a combination group shield,and recruiting ground. I dont think-AND THAT MEANS NO- that it was a communist plot by Obama to create a political bonfire or to benefit the dune coon dogs. .I doubt there was enough intelligence floating around that hed have time to utilize it,if he did do something that stooopid. The Chief Hone-yacks (rugbeeter terrorists) sorta kept quiet and showed up on this one,which for them is an unusual tactic. It was more of a guerialla- opportunistic raid that escalated in a very short time. There isnt as much mathematical-and-predictable Black and White in a mob situation,its frenetic and flluid and generally unstructured. Simple answers to a simple question-GET MY DRIFT? YES OR NO? One thing is for certain am I a Virginia-West Virginia redneck with thinly disguised racist tendancies when it comes to AAAARABS,RUGGGBEATERS,ACMALLAS, and the rest of them?? YES.If they keep it up,we need to round them up and put them in internment camps along the Mexican desert borders,with plenty of camels to breed,and take all thier Mercedes,BMWS,and USED EH CARS and turn them into pickup trucks for storm clean ups and Synagogue hayrides. O0
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You are right ZNT-kids throwing rocks can be part of a momentary "organized attack",the terrorists (once again) may be in the shadows assessing thier exposure-If they think they can win,theyll fire etc, if not,let the kids get killed. Since this is an ongoing everyday endeavor,they attack all the time-sometimes on significant worship dates,sometimes for seemingly no rhyme nor reason when in reality-a higher up in the rugbeeter food chain might be moved while they provide a diversion-or a firefight cover-or WHATEVER.The most cowardly thing of all-is that they send the so-called MARTRYRS out to blow themselves up-but you aint gonna see ONE of them volunteer to "BE WITH ALLAH". O0
